The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985

[David1819]

Cut out strips ? So the police were involved in the frame.

No. Its a post verdict conspiracy. Essex police have committed themselves to the verdict and there is no going back. Its a simple case of destroy, withhold or "misplace" anything that would bring them into disrepute.

[Steve_uk]

Why would the crime scene photographer take close up pictures of the underside of the mantle on the day of the murders? Furthermore that exact area was partially obscured by a jacket on the washing line. As far as I know the jacket was still on the line when the relatives entered the house . So it would be the least riskiest place to put the scratches. And lo and behold that's exactly were they are located!

Do you accept that there was a scuffle in the kitchen and how do you account for the broken ceiling light?

[Adam]

No. Its a post verdict conspiracy. Essex police have committed themselves to the verdict and there is no going back. Its a simple case of destroy, withhold or "misplace" anything that would bring them into disrepute.

Of course. The post verdict conspiracy.

The police were not involved in the silencer fabrication. Just all the other incriminating evidence.

[lookout]

Of course. The post verdict conspiracy.

The police were not involved in the silencer fabrication. Just all the other incriminating evidence.

What " other incriminating evidence " would that be ?

[David1819]

Do you accept that there was a scuffle in the kitchen

No. Nevill was already shot four times before he entered the kitchen. The two shots to his jaw were fatal and one arm was broken and could not be moved. It was a one sided whacking.

and how do you account for the broken ceiling light?

Since the kitchen ceiling light was on when the police arrived I have no broken light to account for.

[Adam]

What " other incriminating evidence " would that be ?

Forensic evidence only -

1. Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

2. One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA 

3. Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE. 

4. Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA. 

5. No broken nails - Not disputed COA. 

6. Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA. 

7. No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA. 

8. No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA. 

9. No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA. 

10. No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA. 

11. Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.

12. No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA. 

13. No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

14. Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA. 

15. Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA. 

16. Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - BAMBER

17. No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

18. No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST. 

19. Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA. 

20. No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA. 

21. No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA. 

22. No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA. 

23. No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST. 

24. Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - FORUM. 

25. Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT. 

26. Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT. 

27. Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT. 

28. Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS. 

29. Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS. 

30. Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. . 

31. Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

32. Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

33. No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

34. Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA. 

35. Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA. 

36. A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

37. Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE. 

38. Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA. 

39. Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE. 

40. Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA. 

41. Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER. 

42. Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - 20 SOURCES IN THE LIBRARY. 

43. No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM. 

44. Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK. 

45. Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

46. Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS. 

47. June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA. 

48. Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME. 

49. 2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT. 

50. The twins not waking - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

51. Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES. 

52. Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL. 

53. Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS. 

54. No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM. 

55. Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - BAMBER. 

56. Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER. 

57. Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.

58. Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - BAMBER. 

59. Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO. 

60. Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.  

61. Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - BAMBER. 

62. Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

63. Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER

64. Housekeeper evidence of items around the sink being moved - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK

65. Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.

66. Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.

67. Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - CRIME SCENE PICTURES. 

68. Dried blood on Sheila - PATHOLOGIST.

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Have no time to create a list of circumstantial evidence.

I said on the Red forum that of course there is sourced evidence on a man who has spent 33 years in prison.

Hopefully David takes it like a man & doesn't start posting his images, banners, diagrams, abuse or 'gish gash' in response. 

[Adam]

No. Nevill was already shot four times before he entered the kitchen. The two shots to his jaw were fatal and one arm was broken and could not be moved. It was a one sided whacking.

Since the kitchen ceiling light was on when the police arrived I have no broken light to account for.

A smashed lightshade would not stop the lightbulb working.

[lookout]

It would have been the rifle that smashed the glass shade as Sheila would have underestimated her own height and that of the length of the rifle too. Easily done when wavering it about if you're not used to gauging distances while flailing a cumbersome object around.

[Steve_uk]

No. Nevill was already shot four times before he entered the kitchen. The two shots to his jaw were fatal and one arm was broken and could not be moved. It was a one sided whacking.

Since the kitchen ceiling light was on when the police arrived I have no broken light to account for.

The smashed lightshade suggests to me that there was a scuffle, Nevill getting a grip on the weapon and with his last remaining strength managing to raise it above head height to leave a trace of his presence.

[lookout]

The smashed lightshade suggests to me that there was a scuffle, Nevill getting a grip on the weapon and with his last remaining strength managing to raise it above head height to leave a trace of his presence.

This also would account for the scratches on the Aga too. A case of missing the target while grappling with the rifle as it went skew-wiff.

[lookout]

Sheila would have appeared ungainly while tearing around shooting because of her overall condition being mentally disturbed so would have been clumsy in her state.

[Steve_uk]

Sheila would have appeared ungainly while tearing around shooting because of her overall condition being mentally disturbed so would have been clumsy in her state.

I can't see it really because of her serene state in death, as if she had been just woken from a deep sleep. I suppose Jeremy would have had to reckon on Nevill being either asleep on the sofa in the lounge or in the master bedroom, whereas Sheila had the benefit of being in situ, but all the same a slightly built recovering anorexic with mobility problems is hardly the person who would be able to run up and downstairs in order to reload.

[David1819]

Forensic evidence only -

1. Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

2. One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

3. Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE.

4. Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

5. No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

6. Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

7. No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

8. No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

9. No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

10. No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

11. Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.

12. No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

13. No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

14. Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

15. Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

16. Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - BAMBER

17. No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

18. No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST.

19. Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

20. No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

21. No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

22. No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

23. No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST.

24. Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - FORUM.

25. Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

26. Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

27. Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

28. Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

29. Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

30. Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. .

31. Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

32. Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

33. No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

34. Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

35. Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

36. A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

37. Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE.

38. Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

39. Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

40. Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

41. Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER.

42. Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - 20 SOURCES IN THE LIBRARY.

43. No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM.

44. Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.

45. Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

46. Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS.

47. June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA.

48. Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME.

49. 2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.

50. The twins not waking - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

51. Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

52. Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL.

53. Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

54. No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.

55. Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - BAMBER.

56. Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER.

57. Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.

58. Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - BAMBER.

59. Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.

60. Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA. 

61. Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - BAMBER.

62. Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

63. Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER

64. Housekeeper evidence of items around the sink being moved - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK

65. Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.

66. Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.

67. Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - CRIME SCENE PICTURES. 

68. Dried blood on Sheila - PATHOLOGIST.

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Have no time to create a list of circumstantial evidence.

I said on the Red forum that of course there is sourced evidence on a man who has spent 33 years in prison.

Hopefully David takes it like a man & doesn't start posting his images, banners, diagrams, abuse or 'gish gash' in response.

"The Gish gallop is a technique used during debating that focuses on overwhelming one's opponent with as many arguments as possible, without regard for accuracy or strength of the arguments.

During a Gish gallop, a debater confronts an opponent with a rapid series of many specious arguments, half-truths, and misrepresentations in a short space of time, which makes it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of a formal debate."

Adam if you dont want me to expose your fallacious and dishonest debating methods. Simply debate properly. I cant help pointing out Gish Gallops if you keep posting them.

[Steve_uk]

David you have posted a fair amount of specious arguments, half-truths and misrepresentations in your time..

[Caroline]

"The Gish gallop is a technique used during debating that focuses on overwhelming one's opponent with as many arguments as possible, without regard for accuracy or strength of the arguments.

During a Gish gallop, a debater confronts an opponent with a rapid series of many specious arguments, half-truths, and misrepresentations in a short space of time, which makes it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of a formal debate."

Adam if you dont want me to expose your fallacious and dishonest debating methods. Simply debate properly. I cant help pointing out Gish Gallops if you keep posting them.

Says the master himself!