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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #450 on: July 20, 2018, 02:38:PM »
The stripes of blood on Sheila's arm could have come from a bleeding Nevill as she'd tried to position him.

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« Reply #451 on: July 20, 2018, 02:40:PM »
Was he then positioned to prevent entry into the farmhouse ?

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« Reply #452 on: July 20, 2018, 02:53:PM »
Anyone moving a dead body in such a position would NEED both mental and physical strength and the more mentally focussed the more the physical strength.

Bamber has both!
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« Reply #453 on: July 20, 2018, 02:55:PM »
Was he then positioned to prevent entry into the farmhouse ?

He wasn't anywhere near the door!
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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #454 on: July 20, 2018, 03:19:PM »
Bamber has both!





He'll be physically stronger now but I doubt he could have punched his way out of a wet paper bag in his younger years. Same goes for his mental strength-----do you doubt that of 27 psychiatrists ?

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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #455 on: July 20, 2018, 03:20:PM »
He wasn't anywhere near the door!






I understood there being difficulty in entering ?

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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #456 on: July 20, 2018, 03:23:PM »
The stripes of blood on Sheila's arm could have come from a bleeding Nevill as she'd tried to position him.

Nobody moved Nevill.

I have seen footage of people killed and falling in such positions. One being a guy at fruit market and his head lands on a box of apples. Body is in same position as Nevills.

If you want me to post it, Just ask.

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« Reply #457 on: July 20, 2018, 03:48:PM »
Nevill would have had to have been wedged somehow to stop him falling forward as the top half of the body is naturally more solid  and heavier than the bottom half. He would have been on the floor at some point in a forward position for blood to have pooled on the floor because there was no such volume of blood on himself considering the damage to the head where most of the blood would have come from.

I don't understand it at all as the large pool of blood isn't near the position of his head.

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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #458 on: July 20, 2018, 10:30:PM »
If you're a person who believes it's a bogus exhibit, then you have to come to an acceptance that one or more prosecution witnesses had involvement, in some form, alongside any officials that were involved.  I suppose you're right - it is speculation to try and pinpoint who and I tend to regard it as some kind of 'joint venture'. 

I personally suspect DB has involvement.  Unlike some others, he's vocal in the media, as if he's a stakeholder in the conviction (because of his previous actions).
   


Robert Boutflour mentions the silencer striking the mantle-shelf in his diary. This was long before Brain Elliot at huntingdon labratory confirmed this via microscopic examination.

Ann Eaton mentions what appeared to be coagulated blood on the silencer. Had that blood been there since the 7th of august, there is no way you can tell its blood by simply looking at it. It would appear like dark rust by that time.

In late August, Robert Boutflour tells Barlow that he thinks Jeremy used Sheila's tampons in the lounge to clean the silencer after the killings. (tampons are designed to absorb blood and are shaped like a tube). Thus he is insinuating at there is or was blood inside the silencer at some point. This was before the silencer was dismantled and blood was found inside.

They know too much, and know before even the folks at the lab know it. The only logical explanation is they created it in the first place.

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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #459 on: July 21, 2018, 12:40:AM »
Nevill would have had to have been wedged somehow to stop him falling forward as the top half of the body is naturally more solid  and heavier than the bottom half. He would have been on the floor at some point in a forward position for blood to have pooled on the floor because there was no such volume of blood on himself considering the damage to the head where most of the blood would have come from.

I don't understand it at all as the large pool of blood isn't near the position of his head.

The blood from his head has ran down the coal scuttle and pooled on the floor.
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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #460 on: July 21, 2018, 07:11:AM »
It is good that everyone agrees that Sheila did not pick up Nevill.

Nugs is now going for a technicality. Saying if Bamber burnt Nevill's back without the silencer, it means RB fabricated it. This is wrong, but good luck in trying to prove what Bamber used to burn Nevill's back.
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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #461 on: July 21, 2018, 07:18:AM »

Robert Boutflour mentions the silencer striking the mantle-shelf in his diary. This was long before Brain Elliot at huntingdon labratory confirmed this via microscopic examination.

Ann Eaton mentions what appeared to be coagulated blood on the silencer. Had that blood been there since the 7th of august, there is no way you can tell its blood by simply looking at it. It would appear like dark rust by that time.

In late August, Robert Boutflour tells Barlow that he thinks Jeremy used Sheila's tampons in the lounge to clean the silencer after the killings. (tampons are designed to absorb blood and are shaped like a tube). Thus he is insinuating at there is or was blood inside the silencer at some point. This was before the silencer was dismantled and blood was found inside.

They know too much, and know before even the folks at the lab know it. The only logical explanation is they created it in the first place.

AE & RB found the silencer. It had what looked like blood & paint in. They already suspected Bamber.

I don't see what the big deal is about them having opinions beforehand. They didn't either & wrote it in their diaries which everyone has seen.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 07:28:AM by Adam »
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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #462 on: July 21, 2018, 07:25:AM »
Nobody moved Nevill.

I have seen footage of people killed and falling in such positions. One being a guy at fruit market and his head lands on a box of apples. Body is in same position as Nevills.

If you want me to post it, Just ask.

David, you know a 6.4, 16 stone man would not fall into a kneeling position, his head delicately & perfectly  placed on fop of a small light coal scuttle which has a tiny surface area. In the heat of a feroucious high tempo fight.

Bamber obviously put Nevill in that position so he could shoot him in the head another 4 times & burn his available bare back 3 times.

A box of apples is much heavier, has a much larger surface area and would not be knocked over.

But good that you agree Nevill's three back marks are burn marks & that Sheila couldn't lift Nevill.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 07:39:AM by Adam »
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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #463 on: July 21, 2018, 11:04:AM »





I understood there being difficulty in entering ?

Because it was locked!
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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #464 on: July 21, 2018, 11:08:AM »
David, you know a 6.4, 16 stone man would not fall into a kneeling position, his head delicately & perfectly  placed on fop of a small light coal scuttle which has a tiny surface area. In the heat of a feroucious high tempo fight.

Bamber obviously put Nevill in that position so he could shoot him in the head another 4 times & burn his available bare back 3 times.

A box of apples is much heavier, has a much larger surface area and would not be knocked over.

But good that you agree Nevill's three back marks are burn marks & that Sheila couldn't lift Nevill.

Certain items (chair and coal scuttle) were used as 'props' in order to maintain the position.
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