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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #150 on: July 06, 2018, 10:01:AM »
I see and all this was after he'd profiled the scene?  ::) Had he 'seen it all before' he'd have known enough not to make a snap decision.

By the way Lookout, the British police force didn't do offender profiling in 1985. It was used in 1985 but it wasn't carried out by the police. They used a psychologists one of the most influential was/is Professor David Canter who helped identify and catch John Duffy - The Railway Rapist. Abother famous case is that of Rachel Nickel - that case drew the short straw with Paul Britton and we all know what happened there!







The point was that " Taff " had seen it all before so was therefore able to " make a snap decision " and dependent on how things appeared to him and not any of us who are DISALLOWED that privilege.

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« Reply #151 on: July 06, 2018, 12:19:PM »






The point was that " Taff " had seen it all before so was therefore able to " make a snap decision " and dependent on how things appeared to him and not any of us who are DISALLOWED that privilege.

He didn't make the decison, Bamber told him how it was and he believed him. He shouldn't have! You keep talking about how the crime scene wasn't treated properly, as head of the investigation it was HIS job to make sure it was. More contradictions!
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« Reply #152 on: July 06, 2018, 12:24:PM »
In any event, it can now be shown by reference to the bloodstained straition markings on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm and right wrist area that she had fired the anshuzt rifle - the ejected and bloodstained brass cartridge cases string that part of her arm which acted as an obstruction because Sheila used her right hand to hold the end of the guns barrel, and the fingers of her left hand to activate the trigger! This phenomena can occur when the shooter is using a right handed rifle, but holding the gun on the left side of their body, left handed fingers on the trigger, right hand holding and aiming the rifles barrel...

David and others think that the end of the streaks are where the blood stopped flowing.  This is what Vanezis claimed when questioned at trial.  When you see a clearer image, close-up, it becomes apparent that those 'ends' are in actual fact the source of the streaks.  Look at the group of marks that have no streaks (at the bottom).  If the streaks caused the 'ends' further up the image, then how come there are no streaks linked to the marks lower down on the image?
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« Reply #153 on: July 06, 2018, 12:42:PM »
David and others think that the end of the streaks are where the blood stopped flowing.  This is what Vanezis claimed when questioned at trial.  When you see a clearer image, close-up, it becomes apparent that those 'ends' are in actual fact the source of the streaks.  Look at the group of marks that have no streaks (at the bottom).  If the streaks caused the 'ends' further up the image, then how come there are no streaks linked to the marks lower down on the image?

I also believe that. Some of the streaks don't have the blob at the end because they are thinner and some look like smudges.

Venezis saw the body and the jury saw enlarged photographs. Photography was NOT at an early stage in 1985 and the quality would need to be of a standard whereby the jury could see detail.
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« Reply #154 on: July 06, 2018, 01:11:PM »
I also believe that. Some of the streaks don't have the blob at the end because they are thinner and some look like smudges.

Venezis saw the body and the jury saw enlarged photographs. Photography was NOT at an early stage in 1985 and the quality would need to be of a standard whereby the jury could see detail.

IMHO, we do not have sufficient information about the exact presentation of crime scene photography at trial, to back up your conclusions here.  I agree that some of the streaks are thinner than others.  Just as some indentations (i.e. those at the bottom of image) may not have been sufficiently deep to cause runs.  The images would have to be very close-up in order to spot the semi-circular cuts within the blobs. There would be no benefit to the prosecution to present images so close-up as evidence.
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« Reply #155 on: July 06, 2018, 01:27:PM »
He didn't make the decison, Bamber told him how it was and he believed him. He shouldn't have! You keep talking about how the crime scene wasn't treated properly, as head of the investigation it was HIS job to make sure it was. More contradictions!

Jeremy told PS Saxby that he thought the police who took guns into the farmhouse had shot everyone, including SHEILA dead - according to Saxby, he responded by saying to Jeremy, that he surely didn't believe that police officers had shot anybody, or words to that effect...
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« Reply #156 on: July 06, 2018, 01:29:PM »
He didn't make the decison, Bamber told him how it was and he believed him. He shouldn't have! You keep talking about how the crime scene wasn't treated properly, as head of the investigation it was HIS job to make sure it was. More contradictions!







The investigation had been left to others who'd initially followed and believed what " Taff " had initially stated as a murder/suicide to which it had been agreed upon until SJ took over. It hadn't been a case of having believed what JB had said----just as if !------though when Jones stepped in he'd listened intently to the relatives and believed them ! Even though there'd been no evidence to back their claims but so long as Jones got a conviction that was all he'd wanted. It didn't worry him that he had nothing on JB.

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« Reply #157 on: July 06, 2018, 01:34:PM »
It was " Taff " who knew what he was doing and talking about-------not Stan Jones. No contradictions !!

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« Reply #158 on: July 06, 2018, 01:41:PM »
David and others think that the end of the streaks are where the blood stopped flowing.  This is what Vanezis claimed when questioned at trial.  When you see a clearer image, close-up, it becomes apparent that those 'ends' are in actual fact the source of the streaks.  Look at the group of marks that have no streaks (at the bottom).  If the streaks caused the 'ends' further up the image, then how come there are no streaks linked to the marks lower down on the image?

The way I see it, the 'sources' you speak about are almost certainly impact marks that were caused on that part of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm / wrist when the ejected spent / bloodstained cartridge cases struck her body after she had discharged shots using the rifle, left hand to trigger, right hand on end of barrel - the rifle itself was designed for a right handed shooter, somebody who would use their right hand on the trigger, and their left hand supporting and directing the shots at a target (when used properly, the ejecting spent cartridge cases would be flung from the ejection port of the rifle in a forward / diagonal trajectory with zero possibility of them making contact with any part of the shooters body)!

In Sheila Caffell's case, she held and used the gun inappropriately, firing it and because of the awkward style she had holding and firing the gun (left hand to trigger, right hand to end of barrel) it was an Inevitable consequence that the lower part of her right arm would take the brunt of the ejecting spent cardridge cases which corresponded to each of the shot she had fired!!!

If you look closely at the 'sources' you have identified, they have a remarkable resembled to the shape, size and characteristics of a spent brass cartridge case striking that part of her right arm, initially with no blood on them leaving light bruising, but after the required reload of additional live rounds into the gun, which became contaminated with the blood of the victims that Sheila had shot, in these instances the blood contaminated brass casings which got ejected when Sheila fired the shots using the additional ammunition left bloodstained straition type markings on the lower part of her extended right arm she had been using to support and direct the barrel! The streaks of blood from the 'source' you have identified being left in the wake of the discharged cartridge case, following in its wake of its trajectory!

She definitely fired the rifle, because the position, shape, size and characteristics belonging to these bloodstained straition marks on that unique part of Sheila's body could only have been made by somebody holding the gun and firing it in a manner in which it was not supposed to be held and fired! Sheila had her right hand holding the end of the rifles barrel, and her left hand to the trigger, forcing the ejected casings to strike that part of Sheila's lower right arm / wrist - any ballistic expert worth his / her own weight in salt or gold will confirm these findings of mine! What's more, it should be relatively simple to reconstruct the same results in a controlled and scientific setting!
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« Reply #159 on: July 06, 2018, 02:03:PM »
The investigation had been left to others who'd initially followed and believed what " Taff " had initially stated as a murder/suicide to which it had been agreed upon until SJ took over. It hadn't been a case of having believed what JB had said----just as if !------though when Jones stepped in he'd listened intently to the relatives and believed them ! Even though there'd been no evidence to back their claims but so long as Jones got a conviction that was all he'd wanted. It didn't worry him that he had nothing on JB.

The scene was staged to look like murder/suicide by Jeremy Bamber. TJ didn't stick around long enough to formulate any opinion about the scene to any great degree. Having set his stall at murder/suicide, he didn't want to change because he'd have to admit he'd been wrong in the first place. However, slowly and surely, the others began to change their minds because it just didn't sit right. Why would a bunch of coppers knowingly want to frame an innocent man? The relatives turned against Jeremy very quickly and they knew him best - and thought him capable of murder.
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« Reply #160 on: July 06, 2018, 02:04:PM »
It was " Taff " who knew what he was doing and talking about-------not Stan Jones. No contradictions !!

And yet in the end, no one supported his view.

From the interrogations of Bamber, it doesn't even sound as though TJ believed Jeremy innocent after his arrest. There is talk here that he went to his grave believing Bamber innocent - what there isn't, is any evidence of it!
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« Reply #161 on: July 06, 2018, 02:12:PM »
The scene was staged to look like murder/suicide by Jeremy Bamber. TJ didn't stick around long enough to formulate any opinion about the scene to any great degree. Having set his stall at murder/suicide, he didn't want to change because he'd have to admit he'd been wrong in the first place. However, slowly and surely, the others began to change their minds because it just didn't sit right. Why would a bunch of coppers knowingly want to frame an innocent man? The relatives turned against Jeremy very quickly and they knew him best - and thought him capable of murder.

Jeremy Bamber did not stage his sister's death scene on the main bedroom floor!

It's dishonest to suggest otherwise in light of all the inconsistencies, contradictions and ambiguities which have now surfaced!

How the hell can Jeremy Bamber have staged his sister's suicide with the gun from the first floor box room window after 7.15am?

How did Sheila's body end up on the far side of the bed (8.44am), and on the bed (after 9.05am) if Sheila's body was at all times on the main bedroom floor from as long ago as, or prior to 3.48am, which is the time the occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene?

Impossible!
Impossible !
Impossible!
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« Reply #162 on: July 06, 2018, 02:19:PM »
Jeremy Bamber did not stage his sister's death scene on the main bedroom floor!

It's dishonest to suggest otherwise in light of all the inconsistencies, contradictions and ambiguities which have now surfaced!

How the hell can Jeremy Bamber have staged his sister's suicide with the gun from the first floor box room window after 7.15am?

How did Sheila's body end up on the far side of the bed (8.44am), and on the bed (after 9.05am) if Sheila's body was at all times on the main bedroom floor from as long ago as, or prior to 3.48am, which is the time the occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene?

Impossible!
Impossible !
Impossible!

I believe he did and we've been over the other stuff before. You say her body was on the bed but have never shown any evidence of it.
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« Reply #163 on: July 06, 2018, 02:37:PM »
The scene was staged to look like murder/suicide by Jeremy Bamber.

This whole premise seems to be undermined by the tactical firearms officers - who complained individually and collectively on more than one occasion, that Sheila's crime scene had altered, from when they last saw it to when they were shown it in crime scene photographs.  They were effectively 'slapped down'. You can see the results of this (i.e. they eventually start to question themselves).   

This information did not come to light until many years after Jeremy's incarceration.  It wasn't available to the defence at trial. 

No information has come to light regarding the TFG questioning any other victim's crime scene.  Only Sheila Caffell's.  And low and behold - Sheila is the victim that has supposedly been 'staged'.

How could Jeremy Bamber be responsible for these anomalies?  He was outside with police.
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« Reply #164 on: July 06, 2018, 03:07:PM »
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As everyone can see, from the contents of this composite witness statement, the police reported that they could see the body of a woman when they looked through the kitchen window prior to the door to the premises being smashed open and the police entered!

The contents of the police radio message logs deal with what was found 'after' the police entered the farmhouse, in particular, the kitchen, and later on the bedrooms upstairs..

7.35am - two bodies, a dead male, a dead female
7.37am - the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female
7.38am - one dead male, one dead female
7.42am - contact police surgeon and Coroner's officer regarding two bodies
7.45am - police are dealing with an incident at whf, involving two bodies, a murder and a suicide

8.10am - after a thorough search of the premises a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total

Now, all of these timed entries describe what was found and where the bodies were at specific times after the police entered the farmhouse! It s therefore inappropriate to suggest that cops had simply made the mistake of misidentifying Neville Bambers body for the body f a dead woman, because if that had been true the matter would have been resolved once the police entered the kitchen. Let's say that such a mistake had been made, well that mistake only related to one of the two bodies that were in the kitchen ( the body of Neville Bamber, which was thought to have been the body of a woman, who turned out to be Neville Bamber), the second body found in the kitchen was a female in its own right, it was an additional body to Neville Bambers body, mentioned after his body had been mentioned! Two bodies in the kitchen, a dead male, and a dead female, one a murder, the other a suicide! And, only three other bodies upstairs by 8.10am, and the shout going out from the scene at that time, five dead in total...

Anyone seeking to rely on the mistaken identity of Neville Bambers body for the body of a woman, as though this somehow takes care of the notion that Sheila's body was downstairs until after 8.10am, should think again, because it doesn't add up or equate with what should be the solid truth! I am prepared to accept that the body the police thought was the body of a woman when police looked into the kitchen from outside the kitchen window prior to the police forcing an entry into the farmhouse was indeed the body of Neville Bamber (right so we have got that out of the way), but there is no explanation for the presence of one dead female in the kitchen after Neville Bambers body had already been mentioned, several times! Moreover, since when would anybody describe the circumstances of Neville Bambers body as a suicide? He was shot 8 times, and was battered and bruised from pillar to post?

A woman's body / Neville Bambers body resolved upon entry to the kitchen!

Neville Bambers body, and one dead female body of which one was a murder, the other a suicide, only resolves that one of the two bodies which were present downstairs was Neville Bamber, but Neville Bamber cannot have been the two bodies referred to once police entered the kitchen! Neville Bambers body could not have been the suicide death spoken about by 7.45am - this is also of interest because we know that the reference to one of the two deaths could only be a reference to Sheila Caffell, and her body must have been the second body found in sequence before the other three bodies were found by 8.10am...

How is it possible, for the police to find Sheila Caffell's body second in sequence (the suicide by 7.45am) if her body had been one of the other three bodies not found upstairs until 8.10am?

Because, with June Bambers body propped up against the bedroom doorway (supposedly), and the two child victims in their bedroom, a bedroom separated from the main bedroom by the first floor box room, the cops inside the farmhouse would have found June Bambers body before finding Sheila Caffell's body if they went into the main bedroom after coming up the main stairs, or failing that if they didn't see June's body propped up against the bedroom door as they came up the stairs, they had gone into the children's bedroom before entering the main bedroom via the first floor box room, the police would have found the two child victims before they found Sheila's body and then June Bambers body! Whichever way you look at it, it begs the question why were the police referring to one of the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen (the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female) as a murder, and a suicide if the only death that could be described as a suicide was the death of Sheila Caffell?

The cops can't make the facts fit the circumstances, because the cops have faked the circumstances, they have been found out!

Between 7.35am and 8.10am Sheila's body was initially downstairs in the kitchen (there can be no doubt whatsoever about that), then her body ended up on top of the parents bed in the upstairs main bedroom (8.44am until around 9.10am), before being lifted off the bed and her body placed on the floor where she was shot a second time as a result of a Shooting accident at the hands of the police whilst they were carrying out a training exercise referred to as 'informatives'. The tragedy occurred because no-one had bothered to check to see if the rifle which had been brought from the first floor box room window and put to Sheila's body had a live round in its chamber! After shooting Sheila in these circumstances, the rifle was immediately removed and placed at the main bedroom window, whilst Sheila's body was rolled into the recovery position upon it's right hand side in an attempt to keep her alive! Soon afterwards when all hope of keeping her alive had vanished the police rolled Sheila's body back into the suppine position and fetched the rifle from the bedroom window and placed it on her body and arranged her hands upon the gun as if to suggest that she had taken her own life!

That is what happened...
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