Sheila and one other were responsible......

[lookout]

Why would the police call Craig 'specifically'?

He was the police doctor.

[Jane]

Rereading Dr Craig's WS -one tends to forget the minutiae of what witnesses say- it appears that he dispels several myths which have grown up out of this case.

 He was informed that there had been a shooting incident some hours earlier. He noted that there appeared to have been a bullet entry at the back of Nevill's skull. He noted that a woman in a very bloodied nightgown had a bullet wound between her eyes. He further noted that "on the other side of the bedROOM" was a woman who had sustained a bullet wound to her neck.

We know, of course, that Nevill and June both sustained NUMEROUS gunshots, but it wasn't in Craig's remit to note them all individually, plus, the two he named would have been a likely cause of immediate death. The same can be applied to Sheila -about whom there is absolutely NO ambiguity- she was found on the "other side of the bedROOM", NOT, as has been previously suggested, on the other/far side of the bed. Quite reasonably he noted a wound which was likely to have been the cause of death. If one wishes to split hairs, he did "see" only one wound on Sheila, but he also did only "see" one wound on Nevill and June. If we transpose "see" into "noted", what actually transpired, in the few minutes he was in the house, certifying deaths, becomes much more clear.

As to the inferences -NO! accusations- regarding Dr Craig's ALLEGED sobriety. They appear to have no basis in fact other than someone, possibly teetotal and no longer a poster, claiming to have detected alcohol on his breath. It maybe worth mentioning that the poster had their own agenda regarding Dr Craig re the alleged treatment of their family by him.

[mike tesko]

The source David is going to supply will contradict Dr Craig's WS. As David said -

'Dr Craig was called to attend the scene under the impression he would be needed to help the police subdue Sheila.'

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I look forward to seeing David's source.

Highly unlikely, since a message was sent from the scene for the police surgeon (which turned out to be Dr Craig) to be requested to attend the scene at whf where two bodies had been discovered upon entry to the premises by armed police (time of this request being at 7.42am)...

My point is this, How could Dr Craig be summoned to the scene to defuse the Sheila threat situation, if she was the second body being referred to in the timed police radio message log?

Surely, with June Bambers body propped up at the main bedroom doorway, hers would have been the second body, the female body referred to, and mentioned in at the 7.42am note, and by 7.45am why DS Davidson (SOCO) was contacted at his home address, by a female operative, named 'Linda' to request that he come on duty because police were presently dealing with an incident at whf concerning and involving two bodies, a murder, and a suicide...

Well, this becomes extremely interesting in the grand scheme of things, since had June Bambers body been the second body that was 'found', how on earth can anybody describe her death as being by way of suicide? The only way that any sense can be made out of all this madness, is that Sheila Caffell was the second body mentioned in the timed police radio message log contents (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am,
 7.42am, and 7.45am). The irony of the situation, places Sheila Caffells body as that which is mentioned in the various timed police radio message log accounts, Only her body could have been the body mentioned in all of the aforementioned timed log entries, she was the dead female body reportedly found upon entry by the firearm officers into the premises at around 7.30am! Only the death of Sheila Caffell could be described potentially by 7.45am, as being a suicide...

 

[mike tesko]

Highly unlikely, since a message was sent from the scene for the police surgeon (which turned out to be Dr Craig) to be requested to attend the scene at whf where two bodies had been discovered upon entry to the premises by armed police (time of this request being at 7.42am)...

My point is this, How could Dr Craig be summoned to the scene to defuse the Sheila threat situation, if she was the second body being referred to in the timed police radio message log?

Surely, with June Bambers body propped up at the main bedroom doorway, hers would have been the second body, the female body referred to, and mentioned in at the 7.42am note, and by 7.45am why DS Davidson (SOCO) was contacted at his home address, by a female operative, named 'Linda' to request that he come on duty because police were presently dealing with an incident at whf concerning and involving two bodies, a murder, and a suicide...

Well, this becomes extremely interesting in the grand scheme of things, since had June Bambers body been the second body that was 'found', how on earth can anybody describe her death as being by way of suicide? The only way that any sense can be made out of all this madness, is that Sheila Caffell was the second body mentioned in the timed police radio message log contents (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am,
 7.42am, and 7.45am). The irony of the situation, places Sheila Caffells body as that which is mentioned in the various timed police radio message log accounts, Only her body could have been the body mentioned in all of the aforementioned timed log entries, she was the dead female body reportedly found upon entry by the firearm officers into the premises at around 7.30am! Only the death of Sheila Caffell could be described potentially by 7.45am, as being a suicide...

Neville Bambers death - definitely not a suicide!
June Bambers death - definitely not a suicide!

Daniel Caffells death - definitely not a suicide!
Nicholas Caffells death - definitely not a suicide!

Sheila Caffell, was the only victim who's death could be described potentially as it having been by way of suicide by 7.45am, a fact mentioned by The female operator (Linda) at 7.45am)!!

[lookout]

It would have to have taken a seriously deranged and insane person to have carried out these murders in the way in which they were.
In the 33 years that JB has been imprisoned there has never ever been concern about his behaviour. Prison officers and psychiatrists are clever people whose job it is is to detect certain changes in prisoners and will know what to look out for. I imagine that over the years being a Cat A prisoner and the most dangerous area of the inmates JB would have been well surveyed along with others in their assessment and intervention centre within by psychologists and probation staff where monitoring by video is key.
JB's move from Long Lartin to the present Wakefield could well have been one of a security issue as the former has a history of riots and general unrest among prisoners. Then again a prisoner can be moved for no apparent reason unless being released then the prison will be nearer to where the home is.

I see no earthly reason why JB can't be released or even put down to a B Cat for starters,but to do nothing and to also ignore the man's existence is totally wrong.

[Caroline]

He was the police doctor.

Yes, I know that but David seems to think he was the family GP?

[Caroline]

It would have to have taken a seriously deranged and insane person to have carried out these murders in the way in which they were.
In the 33 years that JB has been imprisoned there has never ever been concern about his behaviour. Prison officers and psychiatrists are clever people whose job it is is to detect certain changes in prisoners and will know what to look out for. I imagine that over the years being a Cat A prisoner and the most dangerous area of the inmates JB would have been well surveyed along with others in their assessment and intervention centre within by psychologists and probation staff where monitoring by video is key.
JB's move from Long Lartin to the present Wakefield could well have been one of a security issue as the former has a history of riots and general unrest among prisoners. Then again a prisoner can be moved for no apparent reason unless being released then the prison will be nearer to where the home is.

I see no earthly reason why JB can't be released or even put down to a B Cat for starters,but to do nothing and to also ignore the man's existence is totally wrong.

Jeremy moved from Full Sutton to Wakefield.

Killing five people and taking no responsibility is why they won't consider freeing him.

[Jane]

Jeremy moved from Full Sutton to Wakefield.

Killing five people and taking no responsibility is why they won't consider freeing him.

Using supporters claims that just because something isn't known doesn't mean it hasn't happened, we can't simply assume there has never been any concern about his behaviour. The prison authorities don't issue regular behavioral reports for any other murderer -and why should they?- so there's no reason for Jeremy to be singled out. I don't imagine the treatment he receives is any more 'special' than that of other convicted murderers. Unless it's a serious enough incident -ie Peter Sutcliffe getting his eye poked out with a biro?- to warrant a bit of newspaper space, I inclined to think it's a case of what happens in house stays in house. The last think the authorities seek is celebrity for their residents. It remains to be seen, as 'Life' clearly does not necessarily mean LIFE, whether  it may be considered that all convicted murderers will have been deemed to have served a long enough sentence after 25 years.

[lookout]

Jeremy moved from Full Sutton to Wakefield.

Killing five people and taking no responsibility is why they won't consider freeing him.

A person can't take responsibility for something they didn't do,would you ?

[Jane]

A person can't take responsibility for something they didn't do,would you ?

Unless it can be proved that he didn't, it remains that he did. Even allowing for the conclusion being reached that he may not have, there remains the fact that he could have..................which was held to be good enough to convict him in the first place.

[lookout]

It's only just being admitted by police,judges etc that things have gone wrong with the legal system and that many are being held in prisons with wrongful convictions.
It's taken all these years for them to realise that this is and has been going on.
You have to ask yourself what they've all been doing over the years.

I got this info at the tail-end of the news this morning and I'm not sure if there's a programme to follow it.

[Jane]

It's only just being admitted by police,judges etc that things have gone wrong with the legal system and that many are being held in prisons with wrongful convictions.
It's taken all these years for them to realise that this is and has been going on.
You have to ask yourself what they've all been doing over the years.

I got this info at the tail-end of the news this morning and I'm not sure if there's a programme to follow it.

No one is denying this. There has recently been the revelations about the Jeremy Thorpe case. It's all a very convenient hook for Jeremy supporters to latch onto. Couldn't have come at a more convenient time. They did it to others, ergo it's proof they did it to Jeremy? No, it isn't.

[lookout]

No one is denying this. There has recently been the revelations about the Jeremy Thorpe case. It's all a very convenient hook for Jeremy supporters to latch onto. Couldn't have come at a more convenient time. They did it to others, ergo it's proof they did it to Jeremy? No, it isn't.

At least it's being highlighted--------courtesy of the gullible who see no wrong in how the law works or doesn't as the case may be.
There are others besides JB who hopefully will get to see fair play sooner rather than later though JB has the backing of a legal team why haven't others ?

[lookout]

Would you say that JB's legal team are wasting their time ?

[David1819]

Yes, I know that but David seems to think he was the family GP?

Where did I say that?