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Offline Nigel

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2018, 06:07:PM »
I am no 'Wordsmith' but if the Jury were read my 'opening post' surely that makes three possibilities?
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #76 on: May 06, 2018, 06:17:PM »
Although the case appears to be multifaceted,it isn't and shouldn't be but appears that way because of EP's shoddy workmanship.
It's not impossible that Sheila carried out the killings single-handedly and her history makes it all the more possible.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #77 on: May 06, 2018, 06:26:PM »
Initially Vanezis had no problem in admitting that Sheila wouldn't have had any trouble using a rifle.
It was SJ who was forcing the issue of impossibility.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2018, 01:01:AM »
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S(3)H(5)E((5)I(1)L(3)A(1) = 18 1+8= (9)

N(5)E(5)V(6)I(1)L(3)L(3)E(5) = 28 2+8=10 1+0= (1)

J(1)U(6)N(5)E(5) = 17 1+7= (8)

D(2)A(1)N(5)I(1)E(5)L(3) = 17 1+7= (8)

N(5)I(1)C(3)H(5)O(7)L(3)A(1)S(3) = 28 2+8= 10 1+0= (1)


J(1)E(5)R(2)E(5)M(3)Y(1) - (17) 1 + 7 = (8)

B(2)A(1)M(3)B(2)E(5)R(2) = 15 1+5 = (6)
C(3)A(1)F(8)F(8)E(5)L(3)L(3) = 31 3+1 = (4)


Sheila - 9 (alone)

Neville + June - 9 (added together)
Neville +  Daniel - 9 (added together)
June + Nicholas - 9 (added together)
Daniel + Nicholas - 9 (added together)

Total Sum - Sheila(9) Neville + June(9) Neville + Daniel(9) June +Nicholas(9) Daniel + Nicholas(9) = 45 4+5 = (9)

NUMBER of Shots Fired

T(4) W(6) E(5) N(5) T(4) Y(1) F(8) I(1) V(6) E(5) = 45 4+5 = (9)

4 Murders (Neville, June, Daniel, Nicholas) + 5 Deaths (Neville, June, Daniel, Nicholas) and Sheila (45) 4+5 = (9)

Wednesday (+) 7 / 8 / 1985

W(6)E(5)D(4)N(5)E(5)S(3)D(2)A(1)Y(1) - 34
7 8 1985 - 38

Total Sum - 34 + 38 = (72) 7 + 2 = (9)

Add the value of the names Sheila (9), Neville (1), June (8), Daniel (8), Nicholas (1), Jeremy (8), Bamber (6), and Caffell (4) together, it produces (45) 4 + 5 = (9)...


(1) - https://youtu.be/LOJ50EUbWzg
« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 03:15:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #79 on: May 07, 2018, 03:47:AM »
How about the following:-

Neville was shot 8 times, by Sheila (whose name value is 9)  9 - 8 = 1 (the value of Neville's name)!

June was shot 7 times (one shot less than Neville whose name value is 1)

Daniel was shot 5 times (his name value is 8), the difference between both produces a value of 3

Daniel was shot 3 times less than Neville

Nicholas was shot 3 times (his name value is 1), the difference between both produces a value of 2

Nicholas was shot 2 times less than Daniel

Here...

Neville shot 8 times, he has a name value of 1, (8 - 1 = 7 representing the total number of shots received by June) or 8 + 1 = (9) Sheila's name value, the total no. of shots received by the two child victims of the tragedy was (8) equalling the no. of shots received by Neville (8), add together the total no. of shots received by Neville (8), Daniel (5), and Nicholas (3), it produces a total of 16 shots, 1 + 6 = 7 (the total number of shots received by June). If you take the total no. of shots (7) received by June from the total of the accumulated shots previously mentioned (16), 16 - 7 = (9)..

« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 03:49:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2018, 03:57:AM »
Add the values of Sheila's name (9), to the date of the shootings, 'WEDNESDAY' 7 - 8 - 1985 (9), it produces a total of 18 (1 + 8 = 9)..

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #81 on: May 07, 2018, 04:05:AM »
'One dead male', and 'One dead female' found in kitchen upon entry as per police radio message log contents, timed at 7.38am (7 + 3 + 8 = 18), 1 + 8 = (9).

'A further three bodies found upstairs' by 8.10am (8 + 1 = 9)!
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2018, 04:07:AM »
Neville's call to Jeremy at 3.24am (3 + 2 + 4 = 9)..
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #83 on: May 07, 2018, 04:09:AM »
Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford' terminated at 3.33am (3 + 3 + 3 = 9)..
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2018, 04:49:AM »
I am convinced that the cops tampered with the batch of crime scene ammunition, compromising of bullets, and spent cartridge cases!

We now know as a result of information received by ballistic expert 'RENSHAW' from work he carried out at Birdwell armoury in 2004, that there still existed a total of 14 spent cartridge cases in storage at Huntingdon Lab' under an exhibit reference of MDF/100. It is strongly suspected that these 14 casings were part of the original batch of crime scene ammunition found at the scene, and possibly fired by way of the second rifle!

If true, and by my calculation , there has to exist some basic clues somewhere in the case files, capable of supporting it!

Well, Sheila, or Sheila and her accomplice, only fired 23 of the 25 shots during the tragedy!

You will all see very shortly that Essex police did shoot Sheila dead on the bedroom floor..

That issue to one side for the moment, I am mindful that according to the ballistic evidence, there existed 12 whole bullets, 9 nearly whole bullets, three fragmented bullets, and a half a bullet! Based on the recorded weights of all these bullets, of the 12 whole bullets none of these could have belonged to the batch of Eley subsonic hollow pointed ammunition claimed to have been the sole source used in all the shootings, because 7 of these were too heavy, and the other 5 were much to light! 3 fragmented bullets could not be associated Ballistically with the anshuzt rifle...

This leaves only 9 nearly whole bullets (9) linked to the Anshuzt rifle plus the half bullet...

Add this unique batch of (9) nearly whole bullets, to the original 14 bullets associated to the 14 spent bullet cases still being kept at the Lab' under exhibi 'MDF/100', its combined total equals 23 (the correct number of shots fired by either Sheila, herself, or by Sheila and her accomplice)  23 - 14 = (9)..
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #85 on: May 10, 2018, 08:19:PM »
While we wait for Mike to have a well deserved cuppa!, this is my view on what happened:

‘The accomplice’, was let in to WHF by SHEILA while the rest of the family were in bed.

‘The accomplice’ killed JUNE and NEVILLE. *

Then either the accomplice or SHEILA killed the twins. *

‘The accomplice’ forces NEVILLE to phone JEREMY and say "Please come over. Your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun."
This was to lure Jeremy with a view to kill him. Also exonerating the accomplice from crime.

NEVILLE forced to call the '5th furthest away police station', allowing time to kill JEREMY when he arrives at WHF. Importantly again exonerating ‘the accomplice’ from crime.

This was high risk for ‘The accomplice’ but he lived minutes walk away from WHF and felt he could fade into the night or pretend he heard shots and came to see if he could 'help'.

‘The accomplice’ places two silencers in cupboard under stairs

Preparing for JEREMY,

He sees/hears the cops arrive.

SHEILA let the accomplice out.

SHEILA then took her own life.

‘The accomplice’ is the 'unidentified male'.

* I maybe swayed by Mike on these two points, but ‘The accomplice’ and SHEILA were involved.



‘The accomplice’ was known to SHEILA and the family almost certainly from a young age.
He lived/lives VERY nearby.

IF ‘THE ACCOMPLICE” IS READING THIS I URGE YOU TO VISIT A POLICE STATION IMMEDIATELY AND EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED AT WHF IN THE EARLY HOURS OF WEDNESDAY 7 AUGUST 1985…..
« Last Edit: May 10, 2018, 08:54:PM by Nigel »
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2018, 09:39:PM »
I've never been comfortable with the fact that Nevill was being threatened. He'd spoken about the shoot ( annual event ) then allegedly to BW about " never turning his back " on someone ? and latterly the phone-call which a friend of Nevill's had witnessed while being with Nevill at WHF. In fact there were two phone-calls which had left Nevill shaken because of the " threat ". So it would have appeared that Nevill had been scared of someone---------------but it wasn't Jeremy.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2018, 09:42:PM »
Before these threats Nevill had given Jeremy a piece of land to farm-------should something go wrong with/at WHF. Why would Nevill have thought that ? What could go wrong ?

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2018, 09:48:PM »
Whoever it was wanted Jeremy out of the way too judging by the forced call that Nevill made to him,hence why Nevill hadn't rang earlier when everything kicked off.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2018, 09:58:PM »
Someone definitely wanted Jeremy out of the way and there's a possibility that Jeremy may have twigged which is why he dawdled about looking for a phone number hanging fire. Whether or not his father ever hinted at anything we won't know and even if JB mentioned anything nobody would believe him anyway :(