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Re: The Search for the Truth - the 'hidden agenda'..
« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2018, 12:15:PM »
Mike,

Is this a Bruno rifle or a Anshuzt rifle?

It's the 'anshuzt rifle' in this photograph...
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« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2018, 12:21:PM »
Mike,

Is this a Bruno rifle or a Anshuzt rifle?

Based on the testimony of Ron Cook and David Bird (who were both part of the 2nd team of SOCO), it's the anshuzt rifle - Ron Cook claiming that he removed it from Sheila's body and stood it at the main bedroom window, which is 'at odds' with the contents of PS Woodcocks witness statement, who says that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am...

Strangely enough, therefore, we have three different police officers all claiming that they removed the rifle from Sheila's body at one time or another (Montgomery, Cook and Woodcock)..
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Re: The Search for the Truth - the 'hidden agenda'..
« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2018, 12:42:PM »
Do Bruno rifles and a Anshuzt rifle have compatibility with regard to 'Moderator'? Interchangeable?

Yes.

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« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2018, 01:06:PM »
Based on the testimony of Ron Cook and David Bird (who were both part of the 2nd team of SOCO), it's the anshuzt rifle - Ron Cook claiming that he removed it from Sheila's body and stood it at the main bedroom window, which is 'at odds' with the contents of PS Woodcocks witness statement, who says that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am...

Strangely enough, therefore, we have three different police officers all claiming that they removed the rifle from Sheila's body at one time or another (Montgomery, Cook and Woodcock)..

Linked to this contradiction - is the claim made by David Bird whilst testifying that it had been 'he' who had taken the photograph which shows a view of the rifle resting at the main bedroom window, from the vantage point of the middle landing on the main stairs! This particular photograph was the 23rd photograph taken in the overall sequence of photographs taken at the scene that morning - and DC Oakey (1st team of SOCO) took the 25th photograph, establishing that PC Bird committed an act of perjury by trying to claim that it had be 'he' who had taken the said photograph! Not surprisingly, when asked if he knew who had placed the anshuztr  rifle there at that window on that occasion, he stated that he didn't know...

He  didn't know, because that photograph (No.23) had been taken by either DC Oakey or DC Henderson long before the 2nd SOCO team took control of the crime scene at around 10.00am. Contrary to what was stated during the trial, the 2nd team of SOCO did not start taking photographs until after 11.00am, not at and from 10.00am like was made out during the trial!

Rather more disturbingly, the 2nd team of SOCO made out that they were the first SOCO to record the crime scene, keeping 'it' a closely guarded secret that beforehand another team of SOCO (DC Oakey  and DC Henderson) had been recording the relevant crime scenes between 9.00am and 10.00am at the time senior officers had been practising the age old art of 'INFORMATIVES', which involved the moving of victims bodies, furniture, clothing, and of course the anshuzt rifle.

There is no doubt that 'Essex police were responsible for staging the death scenes of the three adult victims inside whf', prior to the 2nd team of SOCO taking control after 10.00am, and photographing the re-arranged crime scenes in the kitchen and the main bedroom as though this had been exactly how the firearms officers had come upon it when they had first entered the farmhouse...

Of course, we now know with 100% certainty, that any of the photographs that were taken by PC Bird (2nd team of SOCO) after 11.00am, do not show an accurate representation of where the firearms team originally and supposedly found the bodies of the victims - Essex police have been responsible for pulling off a huge deception in the manner with which they have presented this evidence!  For example, Neville Bambers body was not tumbled on the kitchen floor with his head in a metal coal hod, and the surrounding area around the base of that bucket was not swamped with clothing, a towel and seat cushions, until after senior officers commenced the practice of 'INFORMATIVES'...

In this respect, please search your consciences and ask yourselves that if Sheila had been responsible for shooting dead Neville Bamber in the kitchen, would she have been bothered bout trying to control the spread of Neville Bambers blood further afield upon the kitchen floor? No, of course she wouldn't...

Then, consider the involvement of Jeremy Bamber in these atrocities, please ask yourselves if his intention had been to place the blame or responsibility for the death of Neveille Bamber, would he have placed items of clothing, a towel, and some seat cushions around the base of the coal hod to retain the potential spread of blood from Neville Bambers head and body wounds?

No, of course he wouldn't have...

The only people with any vested interest in trying to contain the spread of blood from Neville Bambers body further afield upon the kitchen floor at the time his head had been placed inside the coal hod, were the police themselves...

This matter becomes absolutely clear when you see that behind Nevilles body in that stage scene with his head inside the coal hod, a wooden chair has been pushed up against the very internal door through which the firearms officers supposedly entered the kitchen at around 7.35am - if Neville Bambers death scene had not been staged by the police, then what explanation can be offered for the blocking of the internal door with a wooden chair if at least six firearm officers and more (afterwards) had all piled into the kitchen soon after 7.35am?

And, then there is the fact that despite Neville Bambers head ending up in the coal hod, that there was no injuries caused to either his face or his head which might have been caused by his face or head crashing into the rim of the metal coal hod? Surely no-one for one moment thinks that Neville Bambers face and his head had automatically fallen inside the rim of the  coal hod without so much as a graze, a cut or a bruise?

Take it as gospel that the police staged his death scene in the kitchen, the police moved Neville Bambers body so that his head rested inside the rim of that metal coal bucket...

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Re: The Search for the Truth - the 'hidden agenda'..
« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2018, 01:15:PM »
I am really now interested in trying to fathom out, or if possible, to try to identify the rifle that was captured in a police crime scene photograph that was taken inside the kitchen which officers were instructed not to make any mention of in their notes...

Why would police officers be being instructed not to mention anything about a rifle in the kitchen considering that also photographed in the kitchen was the body of one of the five victims (Neville Bamber), and a prospect that at one stage there had been a second body there (Sheila Caffell) between 7.35am and 8.10am? This rifle must have got something to do with, any scratch marks that might have been present on the kitchen 'Aga' surround, and the supposed death of a female in that vicinity, earlier...
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Re: The Search for the Truth - the 'hidden agenda'..
« Reply #110 on: April 12, 2018, 01:28:PM »
Mike

Please accept my apologies for interfering with the content of your (this) post...

What would you like me to comment upon?
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« Reply #111 on: April 12, 2018, 01:29:PM »
I am really now interested in trying to fathom out, or if possible, to try to identify the rifle that was captured in a police crime scene photograph that was taken inside the kitchen which officers were instructed not to make any mention of in their notes...

Why would police officers be being instructed not to mention anything about a rifle in the kitchen considering that also photographed in the kitchen was the body of one of the five victims (Neville Bamber), and a prospect that at one stage there had been a second body there (Sheila Caffell) between 7.35am and 8.10am? This rifle must have got something to do with, any scratch marks that might have been present on the kitchen 'Aga' surround, and the supposed death of a female in that vicinity, earlier...

Everything is pointing to the use of two different guns in the shooting dead of Sheila Caffell...

I know that what I am saying has to be 100% true...

You can't trust the police to tell the truth all of the time - they only see or find what they want to see, or find...

Over the years I have learned how to expose their tactics evidentially...

Cops and the CPS don't like suspected criminals or people who can think logically...

All I know with 100% certainty, is that Sheila Caffell was shot and killed by the use of two different firearms, and that the police tampered with the original badly fragmented piece of bullet (PV/20) replacing it with a WHOLE test fired round, so that the ballistic expert Malcolm Fletcher could say that the same gun (the anshuzt rifle) had fired both of the bullets involved in Sheila's demise and that her death had been caused by the use of a solitary gun when if the truth be made known she was shot and killed by two different guns...

In other words, the cops helped to frame Jeremy Bamber...

Lets put it another way...

Assuming that Jeremy be the shooter and that it had been his intention to stage his sisters death in possession of the anshuztt rifle on his parents bedroom floor, he would surely have known that Sheila had been shot by use of two different guns, so the act of staging his sisters death in possession of only one of those guns, would surely be discovered balistically afterwards...

It just doesn't make any sense, since if Jeremy had been the shooter, surely he would have known that he had shot his sister with two different guns?

Why then...

stage her death scene on his parents bedroom floor in possession of only one of the guns that had been used to shoot her dead?

Essex police have dropped a clanger, here...
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Re: The Search for the Truth - the 'hidden agenda'..
« Reply #112 on: April 12, 2018, 02:10:PM »

All I know with 100% certainty, is that Sheila Caffell was shot and killed by the use of two different firearms, and that the police tampered with the original badly fragmented piece of bullet (PV/20) replacing it with a WHOLE test fired round, so that the ballistic expert Malcolm Fletcher could say that the same gun (the anshuzt rifle) had fired both of the bullets involved in Sheila's demise and that her death had been caused by the use of a solitary gun when if the truth be made known she was shot and killed by two different guns...

It just doesn't make any sense, since if Jeremy had been the shooter, surely he would have known that he had shot his sister with two different guns?

Why then...

stage her death scene on his parents bedroom floor in possession of only one of the guns that had been used to shoot her dead?

You have to look at and consider what the police themselves have done in this matter!

Why does there exist two entirely conflicting accounts regarding the locality and the position of the bodies of the 5 deceased victims?

On the one hand, the police radio message log account which places two bodies downstairs in the kitchen (between 7.35am and 8.10am) and only a further three bodies upstairs at 8.10am. There is absolutely no contradictions to this scenario anywhere within these message logs, versus the witness statement versions of the firearm officers account,made up after a debriefing held at Witham on the first evening of the police investigation into the tragedy, where senior Officers instructed junior Officers to make up their notes and statements stating that they had discovered the bodies of the five victims where PC Bird (2nd team of SOCO) had eventually photographed them!

As I say, you can't trust the police all of the time, they only see and find and report what they want to see, and find, and report!

In my mind there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever, that there were two bodies in the kitchen when Police entered 'it' and only three other bodies upstairs by 8.10am...

It's the police who are responsible for staging the death scenes of Neville Bamber, June Bamber and Sheila Caffell,not Jeremy, or any would be hitman or assassin...
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Re: The Search for the Truth - the 'hidden agenda'..
« Reply #113 on: April 12, 2018, 02:40:PM »
If you can prove there were two rifles then PARGETER must have lied.

Also (I am choosing my words carefully) the moderator could not have been on 'the rifle'.
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« Reply #114 on: April 12, 2018, 05:25:PM »
Based on the testimony of Ron Cook and David Bird (who were both part of the 2nd team of SOCO), it's the anshuzt rifle - Ron Cook claiming that he removed it from Sheila's body and stood it at the main bedroom window, which is 'at odds' with the contents of PS Woodcocks witness statement, who says that he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am...

Strangely enough, therefore, we have three different police officers all claiming that they removed the rifle from Sheila's body at one time or another (Montgomery, Cook and Woodcock)..
According to the CAL book Woodcock removed the rifle from the body, DI Cook took possession of it and handed it to exhibits officer DC Hammersley.

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« Reply #115 on: April 12, 2018, 06:55:PM »
According to the CAL book Woodcock removed the rifle from the body, DI Cook took possession of it and handed it to exhibits officer DC Hammersley.

According to Ron Cooks trial testimony, Cook removed the rifle handed it to Montgomery who checked to make sure it was safe, then Cook placed it at the main bedroom window...

In PS Woodcocks witness statement, he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am...

That issue to one side momentarily, consider the following:-

How did the rifle from the box room window end up in Sheila Caffells possession?

Who removed it from her body and left it alongside Sheila's body whilst her body was on the far side of the bed at 8.44am?

If there was no rifle with Sheila's body at 9.00am when PS Adams visited the main bedroom and saw the body of Sheila, who had removed 'it' from her body, and where was it until around 5 minutes later when it appeared on the bed, in no mans land?

If the rifle was resting on the bed in between June and Sheila at around 9.05am when Stan Jones and Mick Clark visited the main bedroom and saw Sheila and June laid side by side on top of the bed, who placed the rifle on the bed inbetween the two bodies?

If at 9.30am when the Coroners officcer PC Wright arrived at the main bedroom, the rifle had already been removed from the body, who had removed it, and where was the rifle at that stage?

By 10.00am when DC Oakey or DC Henderson took photograph no.25 the rifle was resting on top of Sheila's body with the barrel resting against the left side of her neck! Who positioned the rifle there?

By the time the 2nd team of SOCO started to take photographs in the main bedroom shortly after 11.00am, the rifle was in a different position as shown by reference to photographs, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32, before Woodcock, or Cook, or Montgomery all had a hand in removing the rifle from Sheila's body on only the one occasion! Who repositioned the rifle on Sheila's body before PC Bird started to take photographs of Sheila with it ion her possession?

There are too many inconsistencies, anomalies, contradictions surounding the mystery of the rifle, where it was, where it got moved to, who moved it, who placed it with the body, who removed it, etc, etc, etc..

The death scene of SheilaCaffell on the bedroom floor was clearly staged, and what is really astounding is that it took Essex police a month to realise that Sheila's body had been re-staged with the rifle - even though it was the police themselves who had  re-staged it!

It's just like during the trial when the prosecution were arguing that the silencer had to be removed because with it fitted to the guns barrel Sheila couldn't have shot herself with it because it would have been too long! The police knew this at the scene on the first morning of the investigation, but it took almost a year for the prosecution to realise the significance of it...

Cops knew about the silencer on the first morning of the tragedy, thats why Stan Jones took possession of it (SBJ/1), and why on the afternoon of the 9th August 1985, Jones and Jones spoke to Jeremy at his cottage about the silencer...
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« Reply #116 on: April 12, 2018, 07:09:PM »
What is of real interest to me at the moment is the rifle that was photographed in one of the kitchen crime scene photographs! This has got to be the very same rifle which had paint ingrained on the end of its barrel, which DS Davidson spoke to the COLP investigators about in a police interview in 1991...

The presence of that rifle in the kitchen has got to be linked to the shooting of Sheila downstairs in the kitchen, and the fact bthat police were speaking in terms of there having been two bodies in the kitchen upon entry, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (to me those two boies could only have been a reference to Neville Bamber and Sheila Caffell, a murder, and a suicide, by 7.45am...

I think that rifle had a sound moderator fitted to it at the time of the struggle involving the police and Sheila in the kitchen at just before 7.35am. I am inclined to believe that the Sound Moderator recopvered from the scene by Stan Jones that same morning, was found next to, or nearby the rifle in the kitchen! I have an idea what might have happened and why the Sound Moderator became detached after Sheila got shot in the kitchen across the neck, the cops took the silencer off because with it fitted the overal length of the gun including the silencer would have been too long for Sheila to have shot herself with, so the cops took it off to make the rifle in question capable of being used by Sheila herself...

The rifle in the kitchen was not the Bamber owned anshuzt rifle which was upstairs resting against the box room window...

The rifle in the kitchen was either the bruno rifle belonging to Anthony Pargeter, or the BSA .22 air rifle belonging to Jeremy, with a silencer fitted to its barrel. Whatever the true state of affairs was, that's hiow Stan Jones ended up seizing one of the Sound Moderators! I am now beginning to think that the silencer he took possession of at that time, was the one belonging to Anthony Pargeters gun...

But, it could have been screwed onto the thread on the end of the BSA air rifles barrel!
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« Reply #117 on: April 12, 2018, 07:28:PM »
Mike I have search the forum for JEREMY's sketch, have you a link to it? or could you upload it.

Have you a photograph of the rifle in the Kitchen that you mention above?

Could the BSA rifle cause the wounds?

thanks

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« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2018, 05:45:AM »
Mike I have search the forum for JEREMY's sketch, have you a link to it? or could you upload it.

Have you a photograph of the rifle in the Kitchen that you mention above?

Could the BSA rifle cause the wounds?

thanks

I don't think the BSA air rifle could have made the non fatal entry wound because of the residue around the circumference of the sound..

I don't have a copy of the rifle in the kitchen, it was retained by ACC Simpson in his office safe along with the other 357 photographs Essex police chose not to disclose either to Bambers legal team, or to the court that true the matter. These withheld 358 photographs were part of the full collection of pictures contained in what is now known to have been called 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', it contained all 581 photographs!

However..

The defence acting in Bambers interests, were only given access to an album containing only 223 photographs, in a separate 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', the other 358 photographs missing from it! Many of the missing photographs all capable of establishing that Sheila's body had been photographed laid on top of the bed, before her body was moved onto the bedroom floor, and that she had not received the second bullet entry wound on her neck until after her body had been removed from the bed! Moreover, that the police were responsible for restaging her death scene on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle!

Since the trial, negative strips have been cut to remove key evidence capable of undermining the Crown's case!

It is now known that PC Bird (2nd SOCO team) did not take all the photographs at the crime scene on the first morning of the police investigation, but that hundreds of other photographs were taken beforehand by DC Oakey and DC Henderson (both 1st SOCO team)..

It would appear, therefore, that PC Bird was responsible for trying to separate all the photographs taken by himself from the 581 photographs that were taken by himself and everybody else, but in undertaking this task, a few of the photographs taken by DC Oakey and DC Henderson (1st SOCO team) got mixed up in his 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', for example, photograph numbers 23, 24 and 25...

Here is the diagram drawn by Jeremy for the police at the scene:-

Note, that Jeremy includes reference to a total of three .22 rifles that were present inside the farmhouse to his knowledge at the time of the tragedy..

(1) - The Semi Automatic
(2) - The Bolt Action
(3) - The Air Rifle...
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« Reply #119 on: April 13, 2018, 06:03:AM »
Thanks Mike
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6.01pm on Friday 6th September 1985 'Part 2' of the case began.