Who Killed Sheila Caffell? Part One: The Photograph

[Adam]

Given the number of Police who traipsed the area it could have got scrunched underfoot.

How did the blood get on it ?

[Adam]

Blood would obviously get on Nevill's watch. He was bleeding from the face and body after 4 upstairs shots.

However if there was no kitchen fight, the watch would not be damaged or have fallen off his wrist.

Nevill attempted to protect himself from Bamber's blows with the rifle butt, using his arms. This simultaneously resulted in -

Blood from Nevill's jaw falling onto the watch.

The watch getting damaged.

The watch falling off.

The bruises on Nevill's wrists and forearms.

The rifle butt falling off.

[Adam]

The COA confirms Nevill received bruising to the wrists and forearms.

[Steve_uk]

I would have thought it was hard to get a watch under a rug, though I suppose it would depend from what material the rug was made.

[Adam]

It is conmon for people to wear their watch to bed.

If Nevill did take off before bed, he would do it simultaneously while getting undressed in the bedroom.  He wouldn't leave his watch in the kitchen as just suggested. If he did, it still highlights a kitchen fight as the watch was damaged, bloodstained and on the floor.

However all logic points to Nevill having the watch on during most of the kitchen fight.

[maggie]

It is conmon for people to wear their watch to bed.

If Nevill did take off before bed, he would do it simultaneously while getting undressed in the bedroom.  He wouldn't leave his watch in the kitchen as just suggested. If he did, it still highlights a kitchen fight as the watch was damaged, bloodstained and on the floor.

However all logic points to Nevill having the watch on during most of the kitchen fight.

No it doesn't Adam, you don't know anymore than I do whether Nevill took his watch off in the kitchen every evening or just that evening or not. Your are making assumptions as usual.

[maggie]

I would have thought it was hard to get a watch under a rug, though I suppose it would depend from what material the rug was made.

Surely the possibility is that it was either knocked off a surface or fell off Nevill's wrist and was kicked under the rug.

[Steve_uk]

Surely the possibility is that it was either knocked off a surface or fell off Nevill's wrist and was kicked under the rug.

Did Sheila come down on her period and Nevill take off his watch to soak the washing? Was she behaving strangely then? Or did June put the washing in the buckets earlier that evening? Who kicked the watch under the rug and for what reason?

[maggie]

Blood would obviously get on Nevill's watch. He was bleeding from the face and body after 4 upstairs shots.

However if there was no kitchen fight, the watch would not be damaged or have fallen off his wrist.

Nevill attempted to protect himself from Bamber's blows with the rifle butt, using his arms. This simultaneously resulted in -

Blood from Nevill's jaw falling onto the watch.

The watch getting damaged.

The watch falling off.

The bruises on Nevill's wrists and forearms.

The rifle butt falling off.

Imo it doesn't prove there was a fight or much of one. poor Nevill had horrendous, massive injuries I doubt he could possibly have put up much of a fight and it's more likely that he  stumbled and maybe fall against work surface   just because a fight fits your theory doesn't mean that's what happened imo.

[Adam]

No it doesn't Adam, you don't know anymore than I do whether Nevill took his watch off in the kitchen every evening or just that evening or not. Your are making assumptions as usual.

Come on Maggie. Even by you're standards you're earlier post was pathetic.

Saying the watch was on the work surface but still somehow ended up bloodstained, damaged and on the floor is complete unsourced rubbish.

Why would Nevill get ready for bed & then take his watch downstairs to the kitchen ?

Anyway it makes no difference. The bloodstained, damaged and on the floor watch convincingly highlights a kitchen fight.

My post above shows the watch  also matches Nevill's bruised wrists and forearms and broken rifle butt. Which is 'sourced' information.

[maggie]

Did Sheila come down on her period and Nevill take off his watch to soak the washing? Was she behaving strangely then? Or did June put the washing in the buckets earlier that evening? Who kicked the watch under the rug and for what reason?

I doubt it was deliberate in any way.  At some point someone's foot may have caught the watch that was lying on the floor and it was unintentionally kicked under the carpet by someone in the kitchen including one of the policemen. I'm not saying this is what happened I am simply saying this is a possibility as well.

[maggie]

Come on Maggie. Even by you're standards you're earlier post was pathetic.

Saying the watch was on the work surface but still somehow ended up bloodstained, damaged and on the floor is complete unsourced rubbish.

Why would Nevill get ready for bed & then take his watch downstairs to the kitchen ?

Anyway it makes no difference. The bloodstained, damaged and on the floor watch convincingly highlights a kitchen fight. My post above shows this also matches Nevill's bruised wrists and forearms and broken rifle butt. Which is 'sourced' information.

No need to be so rude
 Seems you must have been there you are so sure what happened. I am saying YOU have no proof whatsoever to categorically state there was a full on fight in the kitchen and that Nevill WOULD NOT take his watch off in the kitchen. You don't know these things you just believe them because it suits your argument. I am not trying to prove anything except that you have no proof and are making unproven sweeping statements yet again.

[Adam]

Supporters are very determined to claim there was no kitchen fight. Despite -

Nevill's dozens of horrific injuries. Posted on page one.

The aga scratches.

The broken rifle stock.

The smashed ceiling light.

The smashed watch.

The bloodstained watch.

The watch on the floor.

The upturned furniture.

Nevill's body position.

Nevill knowing someone was trying to kill him.

Bamber's determination to kill Nevill.

The judge saying Nevill put up a tremendous fight for life.

The rifle being empty when Nevill & Bamber faced each other.

Nevill being 6.4, fit and able to get to the kitchen.

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What more evidence do people want ?

[Steve_uk]

We were all being so polite too. Fifteen minutes to midnight and a new chance for us all to be courteous to one another tomorrow. I think some might have got away with there being no altercation had the ceiling light not been smashed. This is not conclusive either way except Sheila looks remarkably composed to have endured one.

[Adam]

Just read this -

'Men wear their watch to bed about 52% of the time while women average only 39% of the time. Men are more likely to wear watches on a daily basis than women.'

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Following the evidence logically -

Nevill wore his watch to bed. Source - 52% of men do.

Nevill's blood went onto his watch during Bamber's attack. Source - Nevill was shot 7 times.

Nevill's watch got damaged while he was protecting himself. Source -Nevill's wrists and forearms were bruised while being attacked with the rifle butt (which broke).   

Nevill's watch fell off his arm while he was protecting himself. Source -Nevill's wrists and forearms were bruised while being attacked with the rifle butt (which broke).

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There is no doubt that Bamber repeatedly hitting Nevill's arms & wrists with such force the rifle butt broke, would result in Nevill's already blood stained watch getting damaged and falling off.