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Offline David1819

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Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« on: April 07, 2018, 07:38:PM »
I have always wondered what this circular part is.

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2018, 07:44:PM »
Also note the possible graze wound below the lower gsw.  Caused by?

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2018, 07:50:PM »
Where would the smaller dots of blood have come from,and how ?

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2018, 07:54:PM »
Do you mean the lighter smudge or the blob?

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2018, 07:56:PM »
The tiny dots which look like moles----but aren't such.

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2018, 08:00:PM »
The tiny dots which look like moles----but aren't such.

I've always assumed they were.

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2018, 08:11:PM »
I've always assumed they were.





No,they're not moles Roch as judging by their colours they blend in with the surrounding blood,plus moles aren't so uniformed in the way the pic shows.
If there was another pic of Sheila you'd then see that there were no moles in that area.

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2018, 08:14:PM »
Looking through my magnifier they look inflamed around the edges,especially the tiny one under her chin,but what would cause them I'm at a loss.

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2018, 08:16:PM »
Had it been a shotgun that was discharged then I'd have said it was caused by shot.

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2018, 09:38:PM »
Do you mean the lighter smudge or the blob?

This.

Offline lookout

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2018, 10:12:AM »
Would that smudge have been the rifle barrel as it slid from Sheila's grasp on the last/final shot ?

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2018, 05:44:AM »
Question: What is the source of that particular photograph?  Is it the agreed photograph at trial taken from police evidence, with an index number and linked to the record of negatives?  That might seem like an obvious question, but establishing provenance is essential as these photographs can be doctored or tampered with, especially nowadays with digital technology.

Some observations [not all of these are pertinent to David's question]:

(i). The blood looks wet, fresh and very red, and though that might just be the effect of the camera flash, equally it could be that the photograph has been tampered with.  Or it could indicate something more sinister.

(ii). Regarding the mark referred to by David, my first thought on seeing it was that it is a mirror mark of the upper entry wound, probably caused by Sheila's chin immediately falling forward after the second shot.  Or could be where Bamber pointed the end of the gun before deciding to shoot her elsewhere in the neck. However, the mark in question has a ring of bruising around it consistent with a contact wound, so it might not be a mirror mark or a test mark.  I don't believe it is caused by simple 'cold' contact with the muzzle end of the rifle or the end of the moderator, as the case may be. 

(iii). Could in fact the fragmented bullet provide a clue as to a possible explanation?  It could either be that the mark in question is an exit wound.  That may also explain why no blood can be seen out of the 'wound', as sometimes less blood comes from exit wounds.  Alternatively, maybe Sheila was shot three times rather than twice?

(iv). Were tests done of the blood found on Sheila?
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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2018, 06:28:AM »
Hang on....

Doesn't that bruising around the wounds on her throat mean that the moderator can't have been on the rifle when she was shot?

Of course, in fairness to the Crown, that doesn't mean that Bamber didn't shoot her, but it is in contradiction to the Crown's case theory and does represent reasonable doubt.  Or am I wrong in my interpretation of the photo, or if right, overstepping the mark on its implications?

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2018, 01:45:PM »
What I do see is a botched attempt at taking her own life. How painful and determined Sheila had been.

A life that quite possibly could have been saved had not hours been wasted outside the farmhouse that night.

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Re: Possible interpretation of the upper neck wound
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2018, 02:16:PM »
Hang on....

Doesn't that bruising around the wounds on her throat mean that the moderator can't have been on the rifle when she was shot?

Of course, in fairness to the Crown, that doesn't mean that Bamber didn't shoot her, but it is in contradiction to the Crown's case theory and does represent reasonable doubt.  Or am I wrong in my interpretation of the photo, or if right, overstepping the mark on its implications?
I think it's dried blood as remarked upon by Inspector Ivor Montgomery and Dr. Craig respectively. From what I've read the average time it takes for blood to dry is 60 minutes.