Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?

[Nigel]

No, Bews, Myall and Jeremy approached the farmhouse from the courtyard side of the premises (that part which houses the bathroom (red curtains), the twins room (green curtains) and the box room windows on the first floor of the red bricked part of whf)..

From 'that' side of the premises, they went into a field at the front of the farmhouse (behind a hedge), where before them was the actual front door to the house, above which on the first floor, were three windows, (top left) was the parents bedroom window, (top middle) was the upper landing window, and (top right) was Sheila Caffells bedroom window!

But the actual clockwise circumvent Started at the FRONT (front door/pillars) of house?

Is this correct?

thanks

[mike tesko]

No, Bews, Myall and Jeremy approached the farmhouse from the courtyard side of the premises (that part which houses the bathroom (red curtains), the twins room (green curtains) and the box room windows on the first floor of the red bricked part of whf)..

From 'that' side of the premises, 'they went into a field at the front of the farmhouse' (behind a hedge), where before 'them' was the actual 'front door to the house', above which on the first floor, were three windows, (top left) was the parents bedroom window, (top middle) was the upper landing window, and (top right) was Sheila Caffells bedroom window!

I understand what your trying to suggest, or to imply, that the top right window which Bews is referring to in his video account, was a reference to the box room window, rather that a reference to Sheila Caffells bedroom window - the bottom line, the way I see it, was that Bews doesn't want to talk about the person that was seen at the parents bedroom window, because he realises it would collapse the case that was brought against Jeremy Bamber...

[Nigel]

I understand what your trying to suggest, or to imply, that the top right window which Bews is referring to in his video account, was a reference to the box room window, rather that a reference to Sheila Caffells bedroom window - the bottom line, the way I see it, was that Bews doesn't want to talk about the person that was seen at the parents bedroom window, because he realises it would collapse the case that was brought against Jeremy Bamber...

Mike, I'm trying to establish where the circumvent STARTED.

Thanks!

[mike tesko]

But the actual clockwise circumvent Started at the FRONT (front door/pillars) of house? The truth in the matter, is that they did not go around the perimeter of the farmhouse in a clockwork fashion from their starting point on the court yard side of the farmhouse, they effectively started to go anti-clockwise, but only got as far as the front of the farmhouse, with its actual front door, and Sheila's bedroom top right!

Is this correct? No, the gesture Bews introduces where he starts off as though he is talking about a window on the left (top left) but soon rectifies his mistake and deliberately mentions top right window on the first floor is reference to a view of Sheila Caffells bedroom window (top right) at the actual front of the farmhouse! Otherwise, Bews would have been referring to an issue-that nobody was seeking to rely upon, or even knew anything at all about!

thanks

[mike tesko]

The sightings of the rifle at the box room window on the red bricked part of the farmhouse, by WPC Julia Jeapes and PC Brown, were not disclosed to Jeremy or his legal team by the time this matter came to light in 1986...

[mike tesko]

The sightings of the rifle at the box room window on the red bricked part of the farmhouse, by WPC Julia Jeapes and PC Brown, were not disclosed to Jeremy or his legal team by the time this matter came to light in 1986...

With this in mind, why would Bews and Myall try to discredit any sightings of anything at that very self same box room window?

[mike tesko]

What becomes patently clear, however, was that the jury never got to consider the sighting of the person at the parents bedroom window, standing there to the right hand side, and then after a couple of minutes walking away briskly across the full opening of the bedroom window, which the two police officers and Jeremy was observing...

[mike tesko]

At the end of the day, the jury never got to hear anything at all about the rifle which Julia Jeapes did see at the box room window at a time prior to when the six man raid team entered the premises! Her evidence (had it been given) would have been supported independently by the testimony of PC Brown who also mentions the position of that gun at that Box room window - how did that rifle manage to find its way into the possession of Sheila Caffell at any stage, thereafter?

[Nigel]

The confusion is Bew's view on what is Front and what is Back and what is Side of the house, it cant be all three.

Which is it?, is the mention of the kitchen the clue?
......

Bews: "Yes, that is when we first went to the house with Mr Bamber. We had gone round what I thought was the back. We had seen the kitchen door with the light on. We then went into a field which is at the side of the farm house and went went round to where what is - - I believe the front door is and above that is a window. As we moved away I thought we saw something else move, a shadow, something like that. We looked up and after looking for a couple of minutes I was satisfied that it was a - - perhaps a part in the glass that just shone the light slightly as you looked at it."

Rivlin: "It could have been a trick of the light?"

Bews: "I think it was a trick of the light"

......


Below is what he said in a documentary by Guardian Films of January 2011.

We arrive, the weather's good, we can see the house, we've got a clear view of the house, although there's no artificial light - we're relying on moonlight; it was a clear summer night [pause] erm, we speak with Jeremy Bamber, who says that potentially there's a [pause] a mad woman in the house with a gun. I already had in the back of my mind I was going to call out the firearms unit, 'cause I wasn't going to go and knock on the front door and risk it being answered by a mad woman with a gun. Erm - also, I didn't want to go close to the building because [pause] if you're seen, then obviously you could become a target yourself, so what, what I asked Jeremy if he'd mind doing is come with me and Steve Myall, one of the Pcs, on a tour of the perimeter of the farmyard to have a look, see what we could get from the house. As we go round, Steve Myall says "Oh, hang on, stop. I think I saw someone move." And we look up and think 'Where?' He said "That window up there." And he's indicating as we're looking at the back of the building, top right, so first floor on the right-hand side, no light coming out of the building, and I couldn't see anything. We, we look at it for a while, and I said "Are you sure you saw something move?" And he said "Well, I think so." I said "Well, let's move back." We became quite satisfied, after a couple of minutes of just moving ourselves slightly, that we could replicate the same sense of movement, and it wasn't anybody moving, it was just a trick of, literally, a trick of the light.
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Confused, I am!!!

I challenge anyone to understand which room he is referring to......

[lookout]

It's because he was so full of his own importance that he wasn't really listening/concentrating.

[mike tesko]

It's somewhat obvious to me, that the only first floor window where there was any sort of movement that morning was at the parents bedroom window! And, with the cops at the front of the premises, that window on the first floor was top left (not top right)!

As far as I know there was no issue of movement being spotted at any other first floor window!

However, what also becomes clear was that the sighting of the person at the parents bedroom window (top left) was never mentioned or taken into account by the jury! The confusion created by Rivlin and Bews, being the chief cause of this ommission!

[Nigel]

Guilters would want it to be any room except 'Box Room' / room dividing Twins Room.


'Free Jeremy Bamber supporters' would want it to be the 'Box Room' / room dividing Twins Room.

Why?

4 different police officers noticing something in that room, 'Box Room' / room dividing Twins Room.

Sheilla body was found feet away from door way of that Room.

Does not take a genius to realise the 'Box Room' / room dividing Twins is key. I always thought it did, but initially for different reasons.

[mike tesko]

The sighting of the person at the first floor parents bedroom window, was almost certainly a reference to Neville Bamber (if we factor in the first entry of the 'Major Incident Project Register' entry 001 03.45hrs an 'unidentified male' seen by PC Myall at whf)..

[mike tesko]

The sighting of the person at the first floor parents bedroom window, was almost certainly a reference to Neville Bamber (if we factor in the first entry of the 'Major Incident Project Register' entry 001 03.45hrs an 'unidentified male' seen by PC Myall at whf)..

With Neville Bamber, being that 'unidentified male' that Bews, Myall and Jeremy had seen standing at the parents bedroom window, at some time around 4.00am to 4.02am, it destroys the prosecution's case, for example, that Neville Bamber had not made a telephone call to Jeremy, as claimed by Jeremy, when in fact he had done, and did! Furthermore, Neville had then phoned the police himself at 3.26am, ' Daughter has gone berserk', etc, etc, etc...

[Nigel]

The sighting of the person at the first floor parents bedroom window, was almost certainly a reference to Neville Bamber (if we factor in the first entry of the 'Major Incident Project Register' entry 001 03.45hrs an 'unidentified male' seen by PC Myall at whf)..

Does Jeremy have very vivid dreams, that may appear real, looking back.
I cant even start to imagine what his mind has gone though.

I don't doubt Sheilla was seen moving btw, just not sure which room it was.