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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2018, 09:41:PM »
"The moon was in a part of the sky to the top right window"

NOT true  The Moon, it was other side of house.....Lower than Window, but experts need to look at this....

Jeremy told me he could see the moon in the sky at whatever altitude he was referring to, to the right hand side of the front part of the farmhouse, which caused moonlight to filter through some branches, and twigs to the right hand edge of the farmhouse shown here:-
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2018, 06:14:AM »
For clarity:

go to 3min 30 sec

https://youtu.be/yPRd912xv9M

"Trick Of The Light"

Former Sgt Chris Bews must have been referring to the ''Box Room" window.

See blue arrows

The window is a few feet from where Sheila's body was found.

As previously noted The Moon was on the other side of the house, see Moon location 04.01am below.

Due to its location the light could not have reflected off the Box Room's window and is far away from line of sight (far right from window and importantly behind house).
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2018, 06:36:AM »
Moon is yellow circle at 04.01am on Wednesday 07 August 1985

Please note the North / South Axis in relation to North / South Axis of Second image above (floor plan).
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2018, 07:17:AM »
Jeremy told me he could see the moon in the sky at whatever altitude he was referring to, to the right hand side of the front part of the farmhouse, which caused moonlight to filter through some branches, and twigs to the right hand edge of the farmhouse shown here:-

The Moon light would have entered window "Parent's Bedroom" highlighted and filtered into adjoining "Box Room" where Sheila was seen.



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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2018, 07:35:AM »
Importantly please note at 3min 30 secs https://youtu.be/yPRd912xv9M former Sgt Chris Bews moves his hand left to right. In a Clockwise fashion.



He was speaking in relation to the FRONT of the house, picture above.

'Trick of The Light" could not have been "replicated" due to location of The Moon.

Also he says: "Weather is good " "Clear Summer night" so clouds would not effect Moons rays.

2mins 45sec

Therefore there must have been movement in the house.
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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2018, 08:11:AM »
It's really astonishing that after all this time, I never understood why PS Bews was saying what he was saying about the 'trick of light' at one of the first floor windows, when Jeremy's version of what they saw was so clear and precise, but now thanks to Nigel's prompting, I know exactly what has happened now - Bews was talking about a 'trick of light' at the wrong first floor window (Sheila Caffell's bedroom window, top right as viewed by himself), whereas Jeremy (and perhaps PC Myall) were looking and observing the movement of the figure at the first floor window (the parents bedroom)...

Nobody picked up on this at trial, or since...

Until now!

Please note this is "Box Room". NOT "Parent's Bedroom".
AT LEFT HAND SIDE OF HOUSE....CLOCKWISE.
Mike, For the sake of clarity, please amend your post.
Thank you.
Nigel
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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2018, 09:13:AM »
Very interested in Julia Jeapes statement of 'Box Room'.

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2018, 09:21:AM »
I typed here what Ps Bews said in the Guardian Films interview. There's nothing to suggest the "trick of the light" was due to a direct reflection of the moon. In any case, the moon moves very slowly, so its direct reflection wouldn't account for apparent movement. That leaves the possibility that the moon could have made some clouds visible (there are usually some clouds around even when the sky is mostly clear). I don't think cloud movement is a very plausible explanation, but it's hard to show that it's completely implausible. The clouds wouldn't need to be directly between the moon and the farmhouse, just sufficiently illuminated for.their reflection in a window to be seen.

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2018, 09:28:AM »
I typed here what Ps Bews said in the Guardian Films interview. There's nothing to suggest the "trick of the light" was due to a direct reflection of the moon. In any case, the moon moves very slowly, so its direct reflection wouldn't account for apparent movement. That leaves the possibility that the moon could have made some clouds visible (there are usually some clouds around even when the sky is mostly clear). I don't think cloud movement is a very plausible explanation, but it's hard to show that it's completely implausible. The clouds wouldn't need to be directly between the moon and the farmhouse, just sufficiently illuminated for.their reflection in a window to be seen.

Thanks

Julia Jeapes and Box Room.

I understand there are two Box rooms. One centre upstairs front of house.

It is the Box Room adjoining Parents Room and Twins room, I am referring to.

Thanks again
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2018, 09:55:AM »
Bews even goes so far as to say, the first floor window at the centre  of this controversy didn't have any light coming from it? But, the main bedroom was back lit, and so 'that' window did!
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« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2018, 10:34:AM »
Mike,

Please can you confirm this was the photograph shown to Jury with regarding to movement in house?


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« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2018, 10:35:AM »
NOT this one, the 'Red brick side':



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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2018, 10:37:AM »
Importantly please note at 3min 30 secs https://youtu.be/yPRd912xv9M former Sgt Chris Bews moves his hand left to right. In a Clockwise fashion.



He was speaking in relation to the FRONT of the house, picture above.

'Trick of The Light" could not have been "replicated" due to location of The Moon.

Also he says: "Weather is good " "Clear Summer night" so clouds would not effect Moons rays.

2mins 45sec

Therefore there must have been movement in the house.

During my in-depth discussions with Jeremy regarding what he thought they were all observing (figure at his parents bedroom window), Jeremy told me on many many occasions that all three of them clearly saw the outline of someone (in silhouetted fashion) stood at one side of his parents bedroom window, as though whoever it was, was looking out from 'that' window, for whatever reason! One of the questions I raised with Jeremy, was whether he and or the police believed that this person had seen them at this time?

Jeremy told me, ' I don't think so'...
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2018, 10:43:AM »
During my in-depth discussions with Jeremy regarding what he thought they were all observing (figure at his parents bedroom window), Jeremy told me on many many occasions that all three of them clearly saw the outline of someone (in silhouetted fashion) stood at one side of his parents bedroom window, as though whoever it was, was looking out from 'that' window, for whatever reason! One of the questions I raised with Jeremy, was whether he and or the police believed that this person had seen them at this time?

Jeremy told me, ' don't think so'...

Sheila saw them, as she looked out of "Box Room" Window into Court yard at 04.01am
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2018, 10:44:AM »
Mike,

Please can you confirm this was the photograph shown to Jury with regarding to movement in house?

No, this was not shown to the jury when Bews testified - as far as I know no photographs were shown to the jury when he was testifying!
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