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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2018, 12:10:PM »
Then, there's the hitman scenario?
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2018, 12:11:PM »
As well as, the 'scruffy looking hunched man seen walking away from the farmhouse about an hour after police first arrived at the scene' (obviously, not Jeremy)?
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2018, 12:14:PM »
It has always troubled me, why only PC Myall refers to having seen this 'unidentified male' at whf so early in the investigation, despite him arriving at whf along with, and in the company of PS Bews, and PS Saxby?

But..

Maybe, Myalls reference to 'that' unidentified male (3.45am) was a reference to the person he had seen at the parents bedroom window (top left),and maybe this is why his evidence has been suppressed for over three decades, did pC Myall identify an unidentified male at the parents bedroom window?

That now must become the focus...

Well he must have been pretty smart to between 3.45am and 4.01 am Enter Farm house go into "Parents Room" shoot Sheila and then Exit Farm house.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 12:15:PM by Nigel »
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2018, 12:24:PM »
Then, there's the hitman scenario?






Mike I doubt if a hitman would use a .22 vermin rifle. More an AK-47 for 5 people,so I think we can rule that out somehow.

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2018, 12:28:PM »
Interestingly,hitmen aren't necessarily used in obtaining heaps of money as was the first thought in this case.

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2018, 08:19:PM »
I think the mention of the 'unidentified male' seen at whf at 0345am by PC Myall (Entry no.001 in The Major Incident Project Register), could easily have been reference to Neville Bamber at the parents bedroom window, as seen by the two policemen and Jeremy during their recce' of the farmhouse. Now, if that be true it has staggering consequences...
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2018, 08:23:PM »
I think the mention of the 'unidentified male' seen at whf at 0345am by PC Myall (Entry no.001 in The Major Incident Project Register), could easily have been reference to Neville Bamber at the parents bedroom window, as seen by the two policemen and Jeremy during their recce' of the farmhouse. Now, if that be true it has staggering consequences...

Some of these consequences, more obvious than others, and some astounding and astonishing in their meaning and purpose!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2018, 08:28:PM »
Mike, get in the Zone.

You can do much much better digging....
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2018, 08:32:PM »
Some of these consequences, more obvious than others, and some astounding and astonishing in their meaning and purpose!

Here are just some of those consequences, but anyone can feel free to add others as they spring to mind:-

(01) - Neville Bamber did make a distress call to Jeremy Bamber

(02) - Neville Bamber then contacted the police at 3.26am, as per Malcolm Bonnetts 03.26am phone message log

(03) - Jeremy Bamber did try and contact Witham police station but got no response

(04) - Jeremy Bamber phoned Julie Mugford at 03.30am

(05) - Jeremy Bamber phoned the police and spoke to PC West, as per the contents of PC Wests 03.36am police message log form

(06) - Police (the occupants of CA07) Bews, Myall and Saxby were deployed to the incident (03.35am) at whf acting on information imparted to police by Neville Bamber at or during his 03.26am call to the police, and adequately explains why police were sent to the incident before Jeremy himself called police at 03.36am...

(07) - Occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene officially at 03.48hrs

(08) - Jeremy Bamber arrived at the scene 4 minutes later at 03.52hrs
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 08:36:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2018, 08:39:PM »
Here are just some of those consequences, but anyone can feel free to add others as they spring to mind:-

(01) - Neville Bamber did make a distress call to Jeremy Bamber

(02) - Neville Bamber then contacted the police at 3.26am, as per Malcolm Bonnetts 03.26am phone message log

(03) - Jeremy Bamber did try and contact Witham police station but got no response

(04) - Jeremy Bamber phoned Julie Mugford at 03.30am

(05) - Jeremy Bamber phoned the police and spoke to PC West, as per the contents of PC Wests 03.36am police message log form

(06) - Police (the occupants of CA07) Bews, Myall and Saxby were deployed to the incident (03.35am) at whf acting on information imparted to police by Neville Bamber at or during his 03.26am call to the police, and adequately explains why police were sent to the incident before Jeremy himself called police at 03.36am...

(07) - Occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene officially at 03.48hrs

(08) - Jeremy Bamber arrived at the scene 4 minutes later at 03.52hrs

Yes, agreed.

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2018, 08:41:PM »
The video Clip mentioned, where Bews identifies the wrong first floor window at which the figure was seen, by himself, PC Myall and Jeremy Bamber, constitutes fresh evidence which was not available at the time of the original 1986 trial, or the 2002 appeal (https://youtu.be/yPRd912xv9M) evidence which is capable of seriously undermining the prosecutions case at trial, or since...
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2018, 08:44:PM »
The video Clip mentioned, where Bews identifies the wrong first floor window at which the figure was seen, by himself, PC Myall and Jeremy Bamber, constitutes fresh evidence which was not available at the time of the original 1986 trial, or the 2002 appeal (https://youtu.be/yPRd912xv9M) evidence which is capable of seriously undermining the prosecutions case at trial, or since...


BOOM!


Thank you Mike, hope we meet one day.

God Bless you.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 08:47:PM by Nigel »
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2018, 09:26:PM »
The moon was in a part of the sky to the top right window that Bews is claiming was the window at which movement of a person had been seen, or made! I know Bews doesn't mention this either in his trial testimony, or in the video footage we are now focusing on, but I am going on what Jeremy told me at the time we were very close trying to get these convictions of his overturned! We used to spend hours, days, weeks, months and years going through everything!

I particular remember me asking Jeremy about this 'trick of light' business that Bews introduced with the aid of Mr Rivlin, to deal with the sighting of the silhouetted figure at the parents bedroom window! Jeremy was saying that there was nothing reflecting on the window of his parents bedroom, he told me that the moon was way out and up from the position of his sisters first floor bedroom window, and that there was no way that could have caused any 'trick of light' or reflection upon the outside glass surface of his parents bedroom window! More importantly, Jeremy told me that his parents bedroom appeared to be back lit, probably from a light outside the bedroom door on the landing, as if someone had left the door ajar...

I knew Jeremy was telling me the truth, because he said the figure that he had seen standing to the right hand edge of his parents bedroom window, was silhouetted and that from his vantage point he couldn't quite make out who that person was? When I queried him regarding how long that person was standing there at the right hand edge of that window (as viewed from Jeremy's vantage point), Jeremy told me it was a matter of minutes, 2 - 3 minutes, and then suddenly the person darted across the full opening of his parents bedroom window and out of sight to Jeremys left (inside the bedroom)!

This appeared to act as a trigger for Bews, Jeremy and Myall to race back to Pages Lane where PS Saxby was manning the patrol car (CA07) and PS Bews passed a situation report, requesting that the firearms team be deployed to the incident!!

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2018, 09:32:PM »
The moon was in a part of the sky to the top right window that Bews is claiming was the window at which movement of a person had been seen, or made! I know Bews doesn't mention this either in his trial testimony, or in the video footage we are now focusing on, but I am going on what Jeremy told me at the time we were very close trying to get these convictions of his overturned! We used to spend hours, days, weeks, months and years going through everything!

I particular remember me asking Jeremy about this 'trick of light' business that Bews introduced with the aid of Mr Rivlin, to deal with the sighting of the silhouetted figure at the parents bedroom window! Jeremy was saying that there was nothing reflecting on the window of his parents bedroom, he told me that the moon was way out and up from the position of his sisters first floor bedroom window, and that there was no way that could have caused any 'trick of light' or reflection upon the outside glass surface of his parents bedroom window! More importantly, Jeremy told me that his parents bedroom appeared to be back lit, probably from a light outside the bedroom door on the landing, as if someone had left the door ajar...

I knew Jeremy was telling me the truth, because he said the figure that he had seen standing to the right hand edge of his parents bedroom window, was silhouetted and that from his vantage point he couldn't quite make out who that person was? When I queried him regarding how long that person was standing there at the right hand edge of that window (as viewed from Jeremy's vantage point), Jeremy told me it was a matter of minutes, 2 - 3 minutes, and then suddenly the person darted across the full opening of his parents bedroom window and out of sight to Jeremys left (inside the bedroom)!

This appeared to act as a trigger for Bews, Jeremy and Myall to race back to Pages Lane where PS Saxby was manning the patrol car (CA07) and PS Bews passed a situation report, requesting that the firearms team be deployed to the incident!!

"The moon was in a part of the sky to the top right window"

NOT true  The Moon, it was other side of house.....Lower than Window, but experts need to look at this....
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 09:36:PM by Nigel »
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2018, 09:36:PM »
The moon was in a part of the sky to the top right window that Bews is claiming was the window at which movement of a person had been seen, or made! I know Bews doesn't mention this either in his trial testimony, or in the video footage we are now focusing on, but I am going on what Jeremy told me at the time we were very close trying to get these convictions of his overturned! We used to spend hours, days, weeks, months and years going through everything!

I particular remember me asking Jeremy about this 'trick of light' business that Bews introduced with the aid of Mr Rivlin, to deal with the sighting of the silhouetted figure at the parents bedroom window! Jeremy was saying that there was nothing reflecting on the window of his parents bedroom, he told me that the moon was way out and up from the position of his sisters first floor bedroom window, and that there was no way that could have caused any 'trick of light' or reflection upon the outside glass surface of his parents bedroom window! More importantly, Jeremy told me that his parents bedroom appeared to be back lit, probably from a light outside the bedroom door on the landing, as if someone had left the door ajar...

I knew Jeremy was telling me the truth, because he said the figure that he had seen standing to the right hand edge of his parents bedroom window, was silhouetted and that from his vantage point he couldn't quite make out who that person was? When I queried him regarding how long that person was standing there at the right hand edge of that window (as viewed from Jeremy's vantage point), Jeremy told me it was a matter of minutes, 2 - 3 minutes, and then suddenly the person darted across the full opening of his parents bedroom window and out of sight to Jeremys left (inside the bedroom)!

This appeared to act as a trigger for Bews, Jeremy and Myall to race back to Pages Lane where PS Saxby was manning the patrol car (CA07) and PS Bews passed a situation report, requesting that the firearms team be deployed to the incident!!

How utterly astonishingly that neither PS Bews, nor PC Myall, have ever made a witness statement regarding this all important sighting of the person inside the parents bedroom window, at a time when Jeremy was outside in their company? At least, no such witness statements have ever been disclosed to those representing Jeremy Bambers interests (legally)!

Indeed..

No disclosure in any event of the situation report that PS Bews passed immediately after the sighting of that person, which caused Bews to request firearms team back up...

No witness statement from the person who received that situation report from the scene at such a crucial stage in the proceedings!
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