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Offline Nigel

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2018, 10:56:AM »
In which case I don't see how it could be a "Trick Of The Light" or The Moon's refection on the window pane, as The Moon was on other side of house....see diag PP1.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 10:58:AM by Nigel »
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Re: Floor plan 'North South' Direction, in relation to The Moon
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2018, 10:58:AM »
Assuming top right is correct, then it would tally with floor plan, see above left hand side.

He did say "back of house" in video ie not Front.

Yeah, Nigel, I'm with you..

And, look here can you see the shadows and reflections of the branches and twigs and leafs on that part of the farmhouse where Sheila Caffell's first floor bedroom is situated? Well, the moon (in whatever phase it was in that night) would probably be casting silhouettes of those / these branches, twigs and leaves upon the outside of Sheila Caffell's bedroom window, in keeping with what Bews says in the footage! Well, there were no such branches, twigs or leaves from trees to cast shadows upon or against the parents bedroom window (no possibility of a trick of light occurring) over on that side of the farmhouse (top left)!

This is a somewhat sensational piece of new evidence since during the trial Bews told the jury about the 'trick of light' on the first floor window (top right), which everyone wrongly assumed was a reference to the figure seen at the parents bedroom window (top left), thereby negating any impact that Jeremy Bambers defence had in trying to convince the jury that there was still somebody very much alive when Bews, Myall and Jeremy himself did a recovery of the farmhouse!

Here is the recce' image proving the points I am making!
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 11:00:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Floor plan 'North South' Direction, in relation to The Moon
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2018, 11:07:AM »
Assuming top right is correct, then it would tally with floor plan, see above left hand side.

He did say "back of house" in video ie not Front.

No, no, no...

Bews has confused himself, the sighting of the silhouetted figure at the first floor parents bedroom window was on that side of the farmhouse, where what we now know to be the front door, with Sheila Caffell's bedroom window top right, and the parents first floor bedroom window, top left!

I think Bews is confused by the fact that initially he, Myall and Jeremy had approached the courtyard side of the farmhouse where the back door is situated, and as it turns out was the door almost everyone used to go to and fro, from the house! Bews treats that side of the farmhouse as the front, and the front side as the back of the house! This can be proven by the fact that on the court yard side of the farmhouse, there isn't a first floor window top right, it's bricked in - the furthest window to the right is the 'box room' window, and Jeremy was and is very specific, he says there was a person standing at one side of his parents bedroom window, which stood there for around a couple of minutes, before dashing from right to left and out of sight which was the signal for what Jeremy believed caused Bews and them to hurry back to the patrol car so that Bews could pass a situation report, requesting the firearms team be delivered!other!

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Re: Floor plan 'North South' Direction, in relation to The Moon
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2018, 11:09:AM »
Yeah, Nigel, I'm with you..

And, look here can you see the shadows and reflections of the branches and twigs and leafs on that part of the farmhouse where Sheila Caffell's first floor bedroom is situated? Well, the moon (in whatever phase it was in that night) would probably be casting silhouettes of those / these branches, twigs and leaves upon the outside of Sheila Caffell's bedroom window, in keeping with what Bews says in the footage! Well, there were no such branches, twigs or leaves from trees to cast shadows upon or against the parents bedroom window (no possibility of a trick of light occurring) over on that side of the farmhouse (top left)!

This is a somewhat sensational piece of new evidence since during the trial Bews told the jury about the 'trick of light' on the first floor window (top right), which everyone wrongly assumed was a reference to the figure seen at the parents bedroom window (top left), thereby negating any impact that Jeremy Bambers defence had in trying to convince the jury that there was still somebody very much alive when Bews, Myall and Jeremy himself did a recovery of the farmhouse!

Here is the recce' image proving the points I am making!

In the video P1, former Sgt. Bews was referring to the 'Box Room' right end window. see P1


As I say, Moon was other side of house, see P1 it could not have been "Trick of The Light" or reflection of moon on Window pane.

« Last Edit: March 11, 2018, 06:09:AM by Nigel »
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Re: Floor plan 'North South' Direction, in relation to The Moon
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2018, 11:20:AM »
In the video P1, former Sgt. Bews was referring to the 'Parents Bedroom' right end window. see P1
The room Sheila died in.
Fact.

As I say, Moon was other side of house, see P1 it could not have been "Trick of The Light" or reflection of moon on Window pane.

Nigel, you have just proved to everybody, including myself, the mistake the jury made regarding this very significant evidence regarding the purported sighting of a living person inside whf at a time when Jeremy was outside in the company of the police! One other thing which needs addressing here, is that Bews, nor Myall, ever set foot inside the farmhouse, so would not have known which bedroom window, was Sheila Caffell's bedroom window, or the parents bedroom window!

You are absolutely spot on though, that the moon was on the other side of the farmhouse (not the court yard side) and therefore could not have played a 'trick of light' on any window on that side of the farmhouse!

Please rest assured that I am very pleased you raised this matter, because it can now be shown how the jury were misled and confused by what Bews referred to as a 'trick of light' - trust me, Bews, Myall and Jeremy were on the other side of the house when Bews referred to movement at the first floor top right hand side window (Sheila Caffell's bedroom window), he didn't know who's bedroom window that was, and that's where he's made a humongous mistake! This constitutes fresh evidence (the video footage of Bews account) which was not available at the time of the 1986 trial, or the 2002 appeal!
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Re: Floor plan 'North South' Direction, in relation to The Moon
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2018, 11:27:AM »
Nigel, you have just proved to everybody, including myself, the mistake the jury made regarding this very significant evidence regarding the purported sighting of a living person inside whf at a time when Jeremy was outside in the company of the police! One other thing which needs addressing here, is that Bews, nor Myall, ever set foot inside the farmhouse, so would not have known which bedroom window, was Sheila Caffell's bedroom window, or the parents bedroom window!

I got a shiver up my spine reading that.

I hope and pray you are right.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 11:28:AM by Nigel »
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Re: Floor plan 'North South' Direction, in relation to The Moon
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2018, 11:33:AM »
I got a shiver up my spine reading that.

I hope and pray you are right.

It's quite astonishing that it's taken all of this time for this matter to be cleared up (thanks to your probing)!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2018, 11:44:AM »
It didn't help matters during the trial, when it was Jeremy's own counsel, Rivlin QC, who suggested to PS Bews who was testifying, that what he and the others had seen, had been 'a trick of light'!

As it turns out, what Bews was referring to, was in all probability a 'trick of light', but he was looking at a different first floor window, he was referring to the bedroom window belonging to Sheila Caffell (top right), but Jeremy was adamant that what he was looking at was a person at his parents bedroom window (top left)! Jeremy was always if the impression that Bews and Myall saw what he saw, and that they were looking at what he was looking at (top left), but at this late stage, it now turns out that Bews saw something else, Bews was looking at something else than to what Jeremy had seen and was looking at! I agree, that with the moon on that side of the farmhouse, that the branches, twigs and leaves might have cast shadows or caused a 'trick of light' upon or against the bedroom window top right from that part of the farmhouse (Sheila's bedroom), until now I could never understand why Bews was saying that / this, and to be honest I think Jeremy also was confused by what Bews has said, but all that's water under the bridge now!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2018, 11:48:AM »
It didn't help matters during the trial, when it was Jeremy's own counsel, Rivlin QC, who suggested to PS Bews who was testifying, that what he and the others had seen, had been 'a trick of light'!

As it turns out, what Bews was referring to, was in all probability a 'trick of light', but he was looking at a different first floor window, he was referring to the bedroom window belonging to Sheila Caffell (top right), but Jeremy was adamant that what he was looking at was a person at his parents bedroom window (top left)! Jeremy was always if the impression that Bews and Myall saw what he saw, and that they were looking at what he was looking at (top left), but at this late stage, it now turns out that Bews saw something else, Bews was looking at something else than to what Jeremy had seen and was looking at! I agree, that with the moon on that side of the farmhouse, that the branches, twigs and leaves might have cast shadows or caused a 'trick of light' upon or against the bedroom window top right from that part of the farmhouse (Sheila's bedroom), until now I could never understand why Bews was saying that / this, and to be honest I think Jeremy also was confused by what Bews has said, but all that's water under the bridge now!

In addition to the video footage containing this fresh evidence, I should think that Bambers official campaign team, will now target PC Myall for his version of the events!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2018, 11:52:AM »
At this juncture...

I am mindful of the sighting of an 'unidentified male' made by PC Myall at whf at around 3.45am, as per the very first entry in a police document entitled 'MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT REGISTER'...
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2018, 11:57:AM »
At this juncture...

I am mindful of the sighting of an 'unidentified male' made by PC Myall at whf at around 3.45am, as per the very first entry in a police document entitled 'MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT REGISTER'...

It has always troubled me, why only PC Myall refers to having seen this 'unidentified male' at whf so early in the investigation, despite him arriving at whf along with, and in the company of PS Bews, and PS Saxby?

But..

Maybe, Myalls reference to 'that' unidentified male (3.45am) was a reference to the person he had seen at the parents bedroom window (top left),and maybe this is why his evidence has been suppressed for over three decades, did pC Myall identify an unidentified male at the parents bedroom window?

That now must become the focus...
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2018, 11:59:AM »
All the enquiries put into trying to identify this unidentified male, must surely now be disclosed in the interests of justice!
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2018, 12:02:PM »
All the enquiries put into trying to identify this unidentified male, must surely now be disclosed in the interests of justice!
Since..

If the unidentified male to whom PC Myall was / is referring was the person at the parents bedroom window (top left) then, Bambers convictions would have to be quashed, because who else could that male person have been?

Neville Bamber, no less..
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 12:03:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2018, 12:05:PM »
Remember too that a print of an unidentified " male " had also been found on the rifle ?

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Re: Is there a budding Sir Patrick Moore or Brian May out there?
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2018, 12:10:PM »
Remember too that a print of an unidentified " male " had also been found on the rifle ?

That's interesting...
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