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Re: "What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2018, 12:44:PM »
We now know with certainty, that the second team of SOCO did not take any video footage whatsoever of the farmhouse crime scenes, PC Bird only took photographs from 10.00 onwards...

It was either DC Henderson or DC Oakey (first team of SOCO) who captured the farmhouse on video footage, and took photographs!

The image of the magazine which was originally close to Sheila Caffell's body on the kitchen floor, was captured on the crime scene video at around 9.00am, when the first team of SOCO began recording the various scenes downstairs in the kitchen and upstairs in the bedrooms during that first hour long period between 9.00 am and 10.00am...

The bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop in that general sort of area also must now take on new meaning and purpose because it now seems highly likely that once Sheila had got shot in the neck by the police officer, that after the fingers of her right hand went to the wound site on her neck, that she lowered her right arm and attempted to steady herself during her fall to the kitchen floor in the region of that magazine!
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Re: "What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"
« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2018, 12:49:PM »
There didn't look to be anything in the bucket at that point ?

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« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2018, 12:56:PM »
There didn't look to be anything in the bucket at that point ?

Are you suggesting that cops removed Shella's panties and placed them in that plastic bucket?
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Re: "What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"
« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2018, 12:59:PM »
There didn't look to be anything in the bucket at that point ?

So why would one fill a bucket three quarters full of water and put nothing in it?
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« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2018, 01:01:PM »
The rather disturbing facts in this matter, are that there were three sets of bloodied fingermarks which were either on Sheila's neck, on her nightdress, or on the edge of the kitchen worktop, which for reasons only best known to Essex police, they chose not to want to have to identify or to speak about! - sets alarm bells ringing!

Since, if Sheila was responsible for making two of these three sets of bloodied fingermarks, or more, it paints an entirely different picture to that relied upon by the police and the prosecution during the trial...
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« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2018, 01:04:PM »
The rather disturbing facts in this matter, are that there were three sets of bloodied fingermarks which were either on Sheila's neck, on her nightdress, or on the edge of the kitchen worktop, which for reasons only best known to Essex police, they chose not to want to have to identify or to speak about! - sets alarm bells ringing!

Since, if Sheila was responsible for making two of these three sets of bloodied fingermarks, or more, it paints an entirely different picture to that relied upon by the police and the prosecution during the trial...

There is also the partial bloodied palm print on the pages of the Bible?
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Re: "What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"
« Reply #81 on: March 01, 2018, 01:08:PM »
Are you suggesting that cops removed Shella's panties and placed them in that plastic bucket?






No. I was just wondering where the soaking clothes were.
No sign of discoloured water in that green bucket.
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Re: "What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"
« Reply #82 on: March 01, 2018, 01:11:PM »





No. I was just wondering where the soaking clothes were.
No sign of discoloured water in that green bucket.

There is NO way of telling, from the picture, what colour the water is, and having gone back and checked, I'm not even certain how full the bucket is.
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« Reply #83 on: March 01, 2018, 01:18:PM »
The existence of all these bloodied fingermarks, or partial palm prints, here, there, and everywhere, tells us all something which we might well have been overlooking for one reason, or another!

Since, let's assume for arguments sake, that in the absence of any evidence produced by Essex police to the contrary, that Sheila was responsible for making all of the bloodied fingermarks, on her neck, on the front lower part of her nightdress, on the edge of the kitchen worktop and on the pages of the Bible, does this not indicate in the strongest terms imaginable, that Sheila had use f her right arm, downstairs in the kitchen in the region of the kitchen telephone, loose bullets, and the magazine on the kitchen floor at a time when she had blood on her right hand fingers, she also had use of her right hand and the fingers of her right hand prior to her being shot on the second occasion once she had been removed from the bed onto the floor, and she had use of a movement of her right hand and fingers prior to her dying as a result of being shot on the second occasion because she might have thrust her bloodied fingers towards her neck causing the bloodied fingermarks there, and that somewhere amidst all of this she was able to grasp the pages of a Bible, prior to her dying, or in other words, all of these examples of bloodied fingermarks and a partial hand print were all made by Sheila prior to the moment that somebody shot that last bullet underneath her chin which immediately terminated her existence upon this earth!

On these circumstances, a presence of Sheila's body downstairs in the kitchen as per the contents of the police radio message logs becomes a reality! A presence of Sheila's body laid on top of the bed with a Bible on her chest becomes a reality, and her body ending up dead on the bedroom floor after Jones and Clark left the scene also becomes a reality!
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Re: "What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"
« Reply #84 on: March 01, 2018, 01:19:PM »
There is NO way of telling, from the picture, what colour the water is, and having gone back and checked, I'm not even certain how full the bucket is.






I can see through my magnifier----clear water. I remember AE in her statement telling of 3 buckets. Two would have contained said clothes,but the third,nothing. How many articles of clothing would have needed soaking ? Boys trousers and a couple of pairs of drawers.

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« Reply #85 on: March 01, 2018, 01:37:PM »





I can see through my magnifier----clear water. I remember AE in her statement telling of 3 buckets. Two would have contained said clothes,but the third,nothing. How many articles of clothing would have needed soaking ? Boys trousers and a couple of pairs of drawers.

I'm not sure that a magnifier makes clear a blurry picture. What IS becoming clear, however, is that there were -and still VERY definitely ARE- things being said about what occurred, that if nothing else, are gross -and possibly defamatory, but certainly INflammatory- errors.

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Re: "What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"
« Reply #86 on: March 01, 2018, 01:44:PM »
I'm not sure that a magnifier makes clear a blurry picture. What IS becoming clear, however, is that there were -and still VERY definitely ARE- things being said about what occurred, that if nothing else, are gross -and possibly defamatory, but certainly INflammatory- errors.





The magnifier is old,but excellent,along with a jewellers one which I also have and both are efficient whether something's blurred or not.

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Re: "What happened? How did they die? Where were they found?"
« Reply #87 on: March 01, 2018, 03:46:PM »
The existence of all these bloodied fingermarks, or partial palm prints, here, there, and everywhere, tells us all something which we might well have been overlooking for one reason, or another!

Since, let's assume for arguments sake, that in the absence of any evidence produced by Essex police to the contrary, that Sheila was responsible for making all of the bloodied fingermarks, on her neck, on the front lower part of her nightdress, on the edge of the kitchen worktop and on the pages of the Bible, does this not indicate in the strongest terms imaginable, that Sheila had use f her right arm, downstairs in the kitchen in the region of the kitchen telephone, loose bullets, and the magazine on the kitchen floor at a time when she had blood on her right hand fingers, she also had use of her right hand and the fingers of her right hand prior to her being shot on the second occasion once she had been removed from the bed onto the floor, and she had use of a movement of her right hand and fingers prior to her dying as a result of being shot on the second occasion because she might have thrust her bloodied fingers towards her neck causing the bloodied fingermarks there, and that somewhere amidst all of this she was able to grasp the pages of a Bible, prior to her dying, or in other words, all of these examples of bloodied fingermarks and a partial hand print were all made by Sheila prior to the moment that somebody shot that last bullet underneath her chin which immediately terminated her existence upon this earth!

On these circumstances, a presence of Sheila's body downstairs in the kitchen as per the contents of the police radio message logs becomes a reality! A presence of Sheila's body laid on top of the bed with a Bible on her chest becomes a reality, and her body ending up dead on the bedroom floor after Jones and Clark left the scene also becomes a reality!

Alarm bells are ringing from my point of view - why wasn't the prosecution interested in presenting the bloodied fingermarks evidence on (a) the front lower part of Sheila's night dress, (b) the bloodied fingermarks on the the edge of the kitchen worktop, (c) the bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's neck, and (d) the bloodied partial palm print on the pages of the Bible?

Everything points to Sheila having made all of these marks, otherwise the prosecution and it's experts would have broken their necks to mention each and everyone of these, individually and collectively, the fact they didn't says a lot!

Sheila was the source, downstairs in the kitchen, and upstairs in the bedroom, it speaks volumes about what had really taken place!
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« Reply #88 on: March 01, 2018, 03:51:PM »
As someone who knows he is an hybrid version of a human being, I know where the truth lies, and I know the difference between where lies don't add up to the truth!

Sheila was shot downstairs in the kitchen, and later she was shot upstairs in the bedroom after her body was transferred from on top of the bed, onto the bedroom floor!

Everything, no matter which way you look at it, points to Sheila's body being in three key positions, downstairs (once), and upstairs (twice), at different times of the police operation after 7.35am, until after 10.00am...
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« Reply #89 on: March 01, 2018, 03:54:PM »
As someone who knows he is an hybrid version of a human being, I know where the truth lies, and I know the difference between where lies don't add up to the truth!

Sheila was shot downstairs in the kitchen, and later she was shot upstairs in the bedroom after her body was transferred from on top of the bed, onto the bedroom floor!

Everything, no matter which way you look at it, points to Sheila's body being in three key positions, downstairs (once), and upstairs (twice), at different times of the police operation after 7.35am, until after 10.00am...

Essex police are corrupt!

They acted dishonestly, and were supported by the local CPS, who were also dishonest and corrupted!

There can be, and is no doubt whatsoever, regarding this!

Why didn't the local CPS pick up on the three locations inside whf where Sheila Caffell's body was reported as being present, by the police themselves, in one form or another?
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