Crispy's location after 3.15am?

[Nigel]

We know Crispy was found in the Master Bedroom after 7.00am

We know the BT operator's 'open line' heard a "dog barking".

Bearing in mind it was a 1980s BT phone with not the best microphone. We can possible gather (would need to listen to recording) that Crispy was in the Kitchen during or at times of the 'open line' session.

Therefore if it could be proved that Crispy could not have got into Kitchen after 7.00am then Jeremy must be innocent.

There were three staircases, but I'm struggling with the plans to see if Crispy's movements could be 'zoned' due to closed doors.

Perhaps someone can chip in....
thanks

[David1819]

It’s already obvious to most readers here that Jeremy had nothing to do with the killings.

Whatever you uncover, you will only end up going round in circles with a few pro guilt zealots who will go to any length to make things fit. And nobody takes them seriously anyway.

[Nigel]

It’s already obvious to most readers here that Jeremy had nothing to do with killings.

Whatever you uncover, you will only end up going round in circles with a few pro guilt zealots who will go to any length to make things fit. And nobody takes them seriously anyway.

Thanks for the reply, you sound 'battle weary'.

I'm not interested in the guilt zealots spin, I am trying to free Jeremy, as you are I'm sure.

cheers

[Steve_uk]

It’s already obvious to most readers here that Jeremy had nothing to do with killings.

Whatever you uncover, you will only end up going round in circles with a few pro guilt zealots who will go to any length to make things fit. And nobody takes them seriously anyway.

Yes and the title of this thread alone is certain to end in his imminent release..

[Nigel]

Yes and the title of this thread alone is certain to end in his imminent release..

Yes and 'The Devil is in the Detail'.

As I am sure you wouldn't disagree with, for a change.

[Nigel]

Just to chip in myself here.

The twins bedroom door LHS of bed was closed.
This door appears to go into the 'Box Room', which in turn goes into 'Master Bedroom'.
So this exit would be closed to Crispy.
thanks

[Roch]

It’s already obvious to most readers here that Jeremy had nothing to do with killings.

Whatever you uncover, you will only end up going round in circles with a few pro guilt zealots who will go to any length to make things fit.

 

This

[Nigel]

This

I think we need to rally the troops, you to 'Battle weary'.

[Roch]

I think we need to rally the troops, you to 'Battle weary'.

Nice sentiment but be prepared for the nay sayers.  It's difficult not to get drawn in. 

[Nigel]

Nice sentiment but be prepared for the nay sayers.  It's difficult not to get drawn in.

'Quid pro quo'. Chip up, lets do this!

[lookout]

It's nothing short of a miracle that the dog wasn't injured/shot if it had been Jeremy,he would have shot it  because it would have been biting his ankles ( having bitten him on one occasion,the reason he hadn't liked the dog ) Instead,JB had shown no signs of the dog having bitten him on this night.
 Those particular dogs are mainly owned by women and like Crispy are allowed the run of the home as well as having an aversion for male company where a female is " master ".

I wonder if the " graze " on Sheila's lower abdomen had been caused by the dog jumping up at her at some point ? The injury was low enough for the dog to have reached.

[Adam]

Nigel has made an interesting suggestion. I assume he is saying if Crispy was locked in the main bedroom, how could an independent BT operative hear his barking from a downstairs phone ?


This theory falls flat for several reasons -

No one knows where Crispy was when Bamber entered WHF.

Bamber opened the main bedroom door when entering to shoot Nevill & June. Giving Crispy the chance to leave.

Bamber left the main bedroom door open when chasing Nevill into the kitchen. Giving Crispy the chance to leave.

If Crispy left the main bedroom during the massacre, there is no way Bamber could force Crispy back inside.

There is no reason why Bamber would want to lock Crispy in the main bedroom prior to leaving.

There is no reason why Bamber would shut any bedroom doors after completing the massacre. He only had to bang shut the kitchen window.

It may still be possible to hear Crispy in the main bedroom. The house was totally silent as everyone else was dead.

The phone operative  said he/she could only hear a barking dog. If false it highlights an Industrial frame.

The open phone line was open for several hours. Barking may be feint or only heard sporadically from the main bedroom. Even behind closed doors.

The phone line was open for several hours. Crispy moving around WHF barking means the operative would hear him.

There is no reason why a BT operator would join the noble cause corruption and say there were sounds of a barking dog.

Hearing or not hearing a barking dog on an open phone line does not benefit a police frame attempt. So no reason to give false information.

Just because Crispy was found in the main bedroom, does not mean he stayed there all night.

There are two doors in the main bedroom. The crime scene pictures show both doors open.

There are no reports from the raid team about encountering closed bedroom doors.

It is undisputed that Crispy was found alive. So why wouldn't barking be heard over several hours from a probable hyperactive dog in an otherwise silent house ?

[Adam]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/&ved=2ahUKEwi3gJyetsHZAhWEC8AKHavoDNgQFjAAegQIBhAD&usg=AOvVaw2hpPoV40S2rKFuGR9KtxIb

If Crispy was what Nigel wanted Trudie to ring him about, I doubt that Trudie will be sending him a free 'Jeremy Bamber is innocent' T shirt any time soon.

[Caroline]

It’s already obvious to most readers here that Jeremy had nothing to do with the killings.

Whatever I make up or steal from other posters, I will only end up going round in circles with a few pro innocent zealots who will go to any length to make things fit (especially me). And nobody takes me seriously anyway.

You speak for most readers do you? 

[Steve_uk]

I don't really understand the significance of Crispy's location either if you could spell it out once more..