Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.

[Caroline]

No,I'm no contradiction,I'm a Realist.
As you well know I'm a supporter of JB because of his innocence and just because some idiot in the same prison couldn't wait his turn to use the phone,he decided to glass JB which isn't the same as having committed a heinous crime outside of prison.
Yes,it was a cruel and vicious attack which NOBODY saw coming !

But had that attack happened on another prisoner, you would have thought it was fine. The guy who attacked Jeremy thought he was guilty, so in your eyes, doesn't that make him fair game? See where that attitude ends you up?

[lookout]

But had that attack happened on another prisoner, you would have thought it was fine. The guy who attacked Jeremy thought he was guilty, so in your eyes, doesn't that make him fair game? See where that attitude ends you up?

Any attacks in a place that's supposed to be protected is unacceptable. Shouldn't you be asking how it happened and why it was allowed to happen ?

[Jane]

How ridiculous. To blacken a person's character in order to keep Jeremy's white ? If you'd seen a pic of that slob you might have understood.As it happened I do remember the story and if you had anything about you you'd look it up and see for yourself instead of accusing me of being negative toward anyone other than Jeremy. Whether the victim of the attack had been JB or not,it wouldn't make a scrap of difference how I viewed the attacker.

Lookout, you are negative about every player in this tragedy who isn't Jeremy -possibly it's the only way you can keep up the myth of his innocence?- and rather like people who blame everyone other than themselves for the woes and disappointments they've experienced, there comes a point where they need to take a long hard look at their own part in it. Rule of thumb suggests it's impossible for everyone OTHER than Jeremy to be the bad guys. I know you won't take another look, but if you COULD see it from both sides? I guess it's not possible.

[Jane]

Any attacks in a place that's supposed to be protected is unacceptable. Shouldn't you be asking how it happened and why it was allowed to happen ?

Hang on! I thought you were an advocate of rough justice and people getting what's coming to them?

[lookout]

Lookout, you are negative about every player in this tragedy who isn't Jeremy -possibly it's the only way you can keep up the myth of his innocence?- and rather like people who blame everyone other than themselves for the woes and disappointments they've experienced, there comes a point where they need to take a long hard look at their own part in it. Rule of thumb suggests it's impossible for everyone OTHER than Jeremy to be the bad guys. I know you won't take another look, but if you COULD see it from both sides? I guess it's not possible.

 

Can you explain why his innocence is a myth ? Do you honestly see yourself a cut above those who are working behind the scenes on his case ? Thought so. Self-opinionated,completely biased/blinkered.
It's got damn all to do with you or anyone else that I won't shift my views.

[Jane]

 

Can you explain why his innocence is a myth ? Do you honestly see yourself a cut above those who are working behind the scenes on his case ? Thought so. Self-opinionated,completely biased/blinkered.
It's got damn all to do with you or anyone else that I won't shift my views.

Hey! You're describing yourself!! Why, on the grounds that I disagree -with anyone/thing- would I see myself as being a cut above, yet you have branded me as such without allowing me to address it? Self opinionated? Certainly, but doesn't that describe you? Biased/blinkered? No, that's not mine............but it's definitely yours, and is why it's impossible for you to change your views.

[Caroline]

Any attacks in a place that's supposed to be protected is unacceptable. Shouldn't you be asking how it happened and why it was allowed to happen ?

Yesterday you said they were fair game!

For goodness sake. Two monsters have been jailed for 30 odd years each------does it matter if they get what will come to them ? No, because their poor victims having already suffered more than half their lives will be affected for the rest of them,with flashbacks.
Both evil characters who don't deserve to live----or better still,what you DON'T advocate and that's to be forever in fear of being lynched for the next 30 years.

[lookout]

Yesterday you said they were fair game!

Towards the right person would have made a difference.!

[Jane]

Towards the right person would have made a difference.!

Almost anyone, but not Jeremy, then?

[lookout]

Towards the right person would have made a difference.!

The way society is today is one which is totally lawless and getting worse,so in whatever situation I'm always relieved/glad when a criminal gets their comeuppance one way or another.
Successive Governments have tied the hands of the police and also schoolteachers,made worse by the PC brigade. Hence all the feral children who grow up into criminals and criminals getting away with multitudes of crimes. Then the powers that be reduce policing ? When crime is at its highest.
I don't see that any changes will ever be made until we revert back to discipline in the home/schools and other institutions and proper punishments fit the crimes that are carried out.

Pick up a newspaper every day and you'll see murders and sexual assaults rapes and robberies-DAILY !
The harm done against children is heartbreaking both in school and out and being a mother,grandmother and great-grandmother I'm constantly on the alert in case one of the children falls victim to some pervert. I'm not the only one who lives like this as people like myself never saw/heard the sort of sickness that goes on with babies or children and these perpetrators deserve all they get. Non-mothers wouldn't understand. Old as I am I'd willingly stand in for the over-worked police !!

[Jane]

The way society is today is one which is totally lawless and getting worse,so in whatever situation I'm always relieved/glad when a criminal gets their comeuppance one way or another.
Successive Governments have tied the hands of the police and also schoolteachers,made worse by the PC brigade. Hence all the feral children who grow up into criminals and criminals getting away with multitudes of crimes. Then the powers that be reduce policing ? When crime is at its highest.
I don't see that any changes will ever be made until we revert back to discipline in the home/schools and other institutions and proper punishments fit the crimes that are carried out.

Pick up a newspaper every day and you'll see murders and sexual assaults rapes and robberies-DAILY !
The harm done against children is heartbreaking both in school and out and being a mother,grandmother and great-grandmother I'm constantly on the alert in case one of the children falls victim to some pervert. I'm not the only one who lives like this as people like myself never saw/heard the sort of sickness that goes on with babies or children and these perpetrators deserve all they get. Non-mothers wouldn't understand. Old as I am I'd willingly stand in for the over-worked police !!

I concur with much of what you say, although I'm not sure that I share your pessimism about it being solely today's problem -in Victorian times, new-borns were taken from their unwed mothers for the sexual gratification of 'gentlemen' with special needs- however, is it not possible for you to rein in your spitefulness for one moment?

I imagine you're now feeling insulted and wondering what I'm talking about? Did it NEVER cross your mind what a spiteful and cruel comment was "Non-mothers wouldn't understand". Perhaps you'd like to clarify exactly what sort of "non-mother" you're referring to. There are those  who are "non-mothers" by choice. There are also those who have "non-motherness" thrust on them, for various reasons, through no fault of their own. What give you the right to judge whether or not they understand? I'd prefer to think it was just another case of your habit of making sweeping statements and opening your mouth before you put your brain in gear, but I have my doubts. I don't believe there are any here who don't share your distress at what's happening to children.................which includes the experiences which set Thomson and Venebles on their own path to the violent destruction of a toddler's life, but their own, as well.

[lookout]

I concur with much of what you say, although I'm not sure that I share your pessimism about it being solely today's problem -in Victorian times, new-borns were taken from their unwed mothers for the sexual gratification of 'gentlemen' with special needs- however, is it not possible for you to rein in your spitefulness for one moment?

I imagine you're now feeling insulted and wondering what I'm talking about? Did it NEVER cross your mind what a spiteful and cruel comment was "Non-mothers wouldn't understand". Perhaps you'd like to clarify exactly what sort of "non-mother" you're referring to. There are those  who are "non-mothers" by choice. There are also those who have "non-motherness" thrust on them, for various reasons, through no fault of their own. What give you the right to judge whether or not they understand? I'd prefer to think it was just another case of your habit of making sweeping statements and opening your mouth before you put your brain in gear, but I have my doubts. I don't believe there are any here who don't share your distress at what's happening to children.................which includes the experiences which set Thomson and Venebles on their own path to the violent destruction of a toddler's life, but their own, as well.

Non-mothers also include those who set out to destroy a life,either by murder or other means. What set me off on this track were the two consecutive cases in the paper today of two ( calling themselves mothers ?? ) One who between her partner and herself swung a few week old baby by its legs,so badly they have to be amputated. NO charges were brought against them ?? The second,a woman who'd poisoned her few weeks old child------she was already in prison. It just sickens me when they're referred to as mothers. I should have added them to the list of non-mothers !!
These are horrendous crimes,sickening.
Living singly is what I meant by non-mothers. They can't possibly feel the same as a mother.   

[Jane]

Non-mothers also include those who set out to destroy a life,either by murder or other means. What set me off on this track were the two consecutive cases in the paper today of two ( calling themselves mothers ?? ) One who between her partner and herself swung a few week old baby by its legs,so badly they have to be amputated. NO charges were brought against them ?? The second,a woman who'd poisoned her few weeks old child------she was already in prison. It just sickens me when they're referred to as mothers. I should have added them to the list of non-mothers !!
These are horrendous crimes,sickening.
Living singly is what I meant by non-mothers. They can't possibly feel the same as a mother.

I will agree that the act of giving birth doesn't necessarily turn women into mothers...............anymore than the inability to give birth necessarily means a woman is devoid of maternal instincts. I don't believe any woman -whatever is her agenda- who damages her child physically or emotionally is entitled to be a mother, but to single out certain members of society as a precaution would be frowned upon.

[Nigel]

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[Steve_uk]

Could it be that mothers are just too tired today after working to support a family that there just isn't enough quality time as a unit, and the shocking influences of modern day mass media fill the void? https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-second-poorest-region-northern-617199