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Offline David1819

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Covert police surveillance records show Jeremy and Brett driving a van full of stuff to an antique shop.

The 17 page topic of arguments between Nugs and Caroline can now end.  ;D
« Last Edit: February 14, 2018, 02:12:PM by David1819 »

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2018, 05:57:PM »
I'm finding that hard to read does is it say what they actually sold.

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2018, 07:45:PM »
I'm finding that hard to read does is it say what they actually sold.

No. These were cops following him via car and keeping an eye. They wont be able to get too much details.

The description is so similar to RWBs account. He could only have got this info from either the these police or Julie. How else would he know?

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2018, 06:34:PM »
No. These were cops following him via car and keeping an eye. They wont be able to get too much details.

The description is so similar to RWBs account. He could only have got this info from either the these police or Julie. How else would he know?

RWB arranged to have the flat watched - he says so in his notes ....

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2018, 08:59:PM »
Jeremy was subject of a surveillance by the drug Squad, under a 28 day warrant which included a phone tap - this 28 day period expired midnight 3rd / 4th September 1985, a surveillance which commenced on the eve' prior to the tragedy, on 6th August 1985! Jeremy was followed home to his cottage at 9 head street, Goldhanger, by drug Squad officers, they sat parked up in undercover motor vehicles in the street outside Jeremy's cottage! The call from Neville Bamber to Jeremy was eavesdropped at around 3.25am, as was Jeremy's attempts to re-establish contact with Neville, and Jeremy's attempt to contact police at Witham police station, and his calls to Julie Mugford' at 3.30am and later another call that Jeremy made to PC West at 3.37am! Later, when PC West encouraged Jeremy to go to the farm where he would be met by police officers who had already been deployed to the incident, the surveillance team followed him back to whf at a discreet distance!
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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2018, 12:43:AM »
I don't belive he was being watched by the drug squad he was growing a bit in his back garden that wouldent be enogh to attract there intrest.

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2018, 09:11:AM »
I don't belive he was being watched by the drug squad he was growing a bit in his back garden that wouldent be enogh to attract there intrest.

He was under surveillance at the time of the tragedy, and there was a warrant which had been issued under the interception of telecommunications act to eavesdrop his telephone, the telephone at whf, the telephone where Julie Mugford' resided, and all Jeremy's contacts, including drug dealers in Holland and Scotland. The surveillance not only involved the drug Squad but Special Branch were also involved - an aeroplane was also used to take reconnaissance photographs of whf and Goldhanger on the 6th of August 1985 as part of that operation!

After the tragedy at whf the surveillance continued, and he was followed and monitored - on one such occasion when Jeremy returned to whf and climbed in through a downstairs window of the farmhouse to get money from inside, the surveillance team observed him opening the ground floor window using an instrument which turned out to be a piece of broken hacksaw blade! Later on the farm secretary discovered a hand written note from Jeremy which stated that he had borrowed some money that he needed but that he would repay it by the next day (which he did)!

Special Branch got involved because of Jeremy's link to Buckingham Palace where his natural parents worked!
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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2018, 09:18:AM »
Thanks to Caroline and ngb for giving their personal time and and fixing the forum.   :) :)

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2018, 09:24:AM »
The Executor of the Bamber parents estates told Jeremy that there would be death duties payable, and he was advised that one way of raising the cash would be to sell some of the family assets, such as paintings and other items of value, and he was advised to get things valued for this purpose! There is absolutely no evidence that Jeremy Bamber and or Brett Collins did anything underhand, or that they made money from selling anything taken out of whf, everything was done above board in keeping with what Basil John Cock advised Jeremy about!

The relatives made such a big thing about this, because they got this information from the executor of the estates, and from the police - in the same way they found out about Jeremy climbing into whf through a ground floor window using a piece of broken hacksaw blade! Jeremy did nothing wrong when he got items valued at auction or wherever, nor when he climbed into the farmhouse through the window as mentioned! The reason he climbed in through the window was because the back door he had a key for previously had been smashed off its hinges by the police and replaced with a new door and lock. Interestingly enough he did not commit any offence in either getting items valued, or upon entering the farmhouse, both at times when it was bright daylight!
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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2018, 09:27:AM »
Thanks to Caroline and ngb for giving their personal time and and fixing the forum.   :) :)

I tried, on numerous occasions, yesterday, to open up a new topic in which posters could register their thanks. Sadly, each time I posted, I was prevented by a "Bad Gateway" so I just sent a pm.

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2018, 09:39:AM »
I tried, on numerous occasions, yesterday, to open up a new topic in which posters could register their thanks. Sadly, each time I posted, I was prevented by a "Bad Gateway" so I just sent a pm.
Yes, that's why I have posted this here. It's must have been a heck of a commitment to fix it and wanted to register my thanks on the forum. 

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2018, 09:52:AM »
Thanks to Caroline and ngb for giving their personal time and and fixing the forum.   :) :)






I second that Maggie. I hadn't realised that anything was wrong with other than my own PC------I've made a muck of it fiddling about hahahaha,but gave up and watched the Olympics ( ice-skating etc )

Thankyou to both Caroline and NGB xx---------left to me there'd have been a blank screen. As it is,the PC is " restarting " in an hour ? Lord knows what I've done !

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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2018, 10:15:AM »





I second that Maggie. I hadn't realised that anything was wrong with other than my own PC------I've made a muck of it fiddling about hahahaha,but gave up and watched the Olympics ( ice-skating etc )

Thankyou to both Caroline and NGB xx---------left to me there'd have been a blank screen. As it is,the PC is " restarting " in an hour ? Lord knows what I've done !
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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2018, 11:00:AM »
Thanks to Caroline and ngb for giving their personal time and and fixing the forum.   :) :)

Thanks all, it wasn't a fault - just an oversite and a communication issue - I'm sure everyone enjoyed the short break?  ;D ;D
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Re: Police covert surveillance show Jeremy and Brett selling stuff.
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2018, 11:09:AM »
Thanks all, it wasn't a fault - just an oversite and a communication issue - I'm sure everyone enjoyed the short break?  ;D ;D





I had a fine time shouting at the judges when Elise Christie was pushed off her position in the speedskating.What a horrible lot ! I don't know whether the break away from this was good for me in that respect,hahahaha.