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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2018, 07:07:PM »
I can't believe that national media has not picked up on this very serious matter - it's as if the national media is controlled by the powers that be, and the powers that be do not want the general public at large to know what Essex police and the local CPS got up to in this matter!
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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2018, 07:10:PM »
I can't believe that national media has not picked up on this very serious matter - it's as if the national media is controlled by the powers that be, and the powers that be do not want the general public at large to know what Essex police and the local CPS got up to in this matter!

For Christ sake, the cops shot Sheila who was unarmed downstairs in the kitchen, and then shot her again whilst she was unconscious upstairs on the bedroom floor - how bad do things have to be before the national media take things on board and alert the public at large?
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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2018, 08:13:PM »
These attacks upon Neville Bamber must have occurred when the shooter realised she had run out of ammunition!
Not necessarily. There was a boxload of ammunition spilled out onto the nearby blue and white chequered worktop, with bloodied fingerprints impressed thereon. I would argue that the scenario corroborates Julie's statement that the killer became enraged as he sought revenge for the loneliness of those Gresham's years, only to return to a status he considered far beneath him as the reins of power were kept from his grasp and he was expected without fairness or favour to start from scratch once more.

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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2018, 09:03:PM »
I would argue that the scenario corroborates Julie's statement that the killer became enraged as he sought revenge for the loneliness of those Gresham's years.

I think from some point during the night, the killer may have thought she was surrounded by demons.
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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2018, 08:13:AM »
I have removed a few posts from this thread due to personal comments.

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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2018, 10:03:AM »
Not necessarily. There was a boxload of ammunition spilled out onto the nearby blue and white chequered worktop, Well, be that as it may, but in my mind's eye I can visualise Neville at that kitchen worktop on the telephone to Essex police at around 3.26am, I can visualise Sheila coming downstairs, with only a couple of bullets still left in the gun, and I can visualise Sheila shooting at Neville whilst he was in the process of using the telephone! I can see why Sheila shot the rifle in the direction of Neville Bambers face, into his jaw so to speak, thus nullifying any further opportunity to speak to anyone who might be at the end of Neville's call!
Thereafter, I can visualise Neville falling around after sustaining several non fatal shots! I can visualise Sheila not having the opportunity to reload the rifles magazine with loose bullets tipped out onto the kitchen worktop, and I can visualise Sheila welding the rifle in club fashion and striking Neville Bamber around the head with it, after Neville collapsed to the kitchen floor as a result of the collective effect of having already been shot a total of four times 'non fatally'...
with bloodied fingerprints impressed thereon. Ah, yes, the bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop! Glad you brought these up, since what becomes so obvious is that the police knew that these were the bloodied fingermarks from one of Neville Bambers bloodstained hands after or during his fall to the kitchen floor after he had been shot at whilst using the kitchen telephone! I would argue that the scenario corroborates Julie's statement that the killer became enraged as he sought revenge for the loneliness of those Gresham's years, No, it was simply a case of Sheila having run out of bullets, and Neville collapsing to the kitchen floor in a wounded state, and Sheila taking advantage of this by using the ammunition free rifle as a club to hit Neville Bamber with the gun about his head and face! only to return to a status he considered far beneath him as the reins of power were kept from his grasp and he was expected without fairness or favour to start from scratch once more. Essex police were / are satisfied that Sheila had shot and battered Neville Bamber, and that she alone was responsible for Neville Bambers death downstairs in the kitchen - I agree with those conclusions..
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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #81 on: February 27, 2018, 11:34:PM »
Sheila hardly had the strength to pick up a gun that morning, let alone reload and aim at Nevill's jaw. Some of these shots such as the one which splashed his blood onto the wallpaper in the hallway must have been fired from some distance, yet none of them missed. Far from Sheila having recently indulged in target practice as expounded by Jeremy without it was Jeremy himself who had indulged in exactly that activity several hours earlier.

If the bloodied marks on the blue and white chequered worktop had been Nevill's I don't see the need for secrecy at that stage of the investigation. They don't prove who the killer was, but why repeat that Sheila had run out of bullets when there was still an ample supply nearby? The vindictiveness of the beating suggests a personal grudge anyway, which is not how Sheila had ever viewed her father heretofore.
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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #82 on: February 28, 2018, 09:13:AM »
Don't kid yourself,Sheila was a young woman who was as strong as an ox if/when the need arose.After having sat quietly thinking and mulling things over adrenaline would have been building up inside her preparing her for the energy it took that night,after which exhaustion would have won as she'd accomplished what she'd set out to do and in taking her own life,satisfaction that her job had been done. Hence the peaceful composure of her face and body. She hadn't been found cowered in a corner.

Targets are easy to hit when they're not moving,no matter what the distance is. It's not difficult to shoot your target when you're in the same room.

Because of the placements of the bullets it indicated that Sheila was grabbing so many to load,not necessarily the full quota. This is why Sheila would have used an empty box/container to transport bullets upstairs-----------Jeremy wouldn't have needed to as besides having pockets,he'd have loaded up the rifle as normal.

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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #83 on: February 28, 2018, 10:04:AM »
Don't kid yourself,Sheila was a young woman who was as strong as an ox if/when the need arose.After having sat quietly thinking and mulling things over adrenaline would have been building up inside her preparing her for the energy it took that night,after which exhaustion would have won as she'd accomplished what she'd set out to do and in taking her own life,satisfaction that her job had been done. Hence the peaceful composure of her face and body. She hadn't been found cowered in a corner.

Targets are easy to hit when they're not moving,no matter what the distance is. It's not difficult to shoot your target when you're in the same room.

Because of the placements of the bullets it indicated that Sheila was grabbing so many to load,not necessarily the full quota. This is why Sheila would have used an empty box/container to transport bullets upstairs-----------Jeremy wouldn't have needed to as besides having pockets,he'd have loaded up the rifle as normal.

'She'd have been - would she?

Needed a box? So where was it?
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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #84 on: February 28, 2018, 10:37:AM »
'She'd have been - would she?

Needed a box? So where was it?





As per Colin's book,an empty bullet box was found n the bedroom-------we've done this before  ::)

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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2018, 11:01:AM »
Don't kid yourself,Sheila was a young woman who was as strong as an ox if/when the need arose.After having sat quietly thinking and mulling things over adrenaline would have been building up inside her preparing her for the energy it took that night,after which exhaustion would have won as she'd accomplished what she'd set out to do and in taking her own life,satisfaction that her job had been done. Hence the peaceful composure of her face and body. She hadn't been found cowered in a corner.

Targets are easy to hit when they're not moving,no matter what the distance is. It's not difficult to shoot your target when you're in the same room.

Because of the placements of the bullets it indicated that Sheila was grabbing so many to load,not necessarily the full quota. This is why Sheila would have used an empty box/container to transport bullets upstairs-----------Jeremy wouldn't have needed to as besides having pockets,he'd have loaded up the rifle as normal.

I think it's you who is kidding us!! Of course, you have no proof of any of what you're saying. I guess you must be basing it on what you know of others and making up the rest as you go. No one, but NO ONE has ever said anything untoward, or outside the parameters of 'normal' about Sheila. Indeed YOU are the only one to do so, blowing up tiny incidents out of all proportion to try to make her appear to be a simmering violent cauldron beneath the surface,and trying to colour her as being adept with the loading and use of firearms. Yet you appear unable to make up your mind about whether she planned the massacre, coolly and logically, or whether she succumbed under mental illness.

 Let's see. What incidents were there? She -allegedly- had a quick temper! Ooh!! She broke some of Colin's precious sculptures -but not over his head. She once threw a pan? at him -but she didn't bash him over the head with it. Freddie was afraid of what MIGHT happen when she was psychotic. Nothing did. Stories about her treatment of her children. Nothing untoward -by way of violence- discovered by A) the hospital B) her case worker C) teachers D) foster carers.

Naturally, she, like the rest of us, wasn't a cardboard cut-out. She -like the rest of us- would have had  reactions to whatever was the stimulus. I think it's likely that she reacted more strongly to June than anyone else. I think they may have wound each other up. I believe it can safely and conclusively be said that she had NEVER exhibited violence to others, even during her two psychotic episodes. The only violence she DID exhibit, during those times, appears to have been to herself. There is nothing in her past which suggests she was capable of the violence you're wishing on her. No one -other than you- has had anything bad to say of her. According to you, they're wrong, aren't they?

It's difficult to find anyone in this area who has anything good to say of Jeremy. Sure, you'd have us believe that the numerous who WOULD have given him a character reference have been silenced or paid off. I don't buy that. There are ways of 'getting it out there' if one considers it important enough. It's because they were all jealous of him, did I hear you say? Unlikely, but whatever the reason, he doesn't appear to have had many friends. Sure, there are one or two who've been fawning over him since he's been in prison -possibly mostly women, and possibly one or two from pre prison, with the hots for him- but other than sitting in a pub/restaurant with him, no males appear to have been over-eager to seek his company. Perhaps he found Julie's student friends easier to impress than his peer group? I've only found one person who knew him, pre murders, who believes him innocent; my cousin's co in-law, a vicar, and one person -one of my neighbours, who doesn't know him- who thinks he's innocent.  ALL the others who knew him, pre murders, believe he's guilty. According to you, they're wrong, aren't they?

Nugs is incredibly fond of coincidences and in this case they're coming at him from all directions. I think there are FAR too many, attached to Jeremy's count-down CV to the murders- to be brushed aside as being points of no consequence.

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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2018, 11:11:AM »




As per Colin's book,an empty bullet box was found n the bedroom-------we've done this before  ::)

Yes, and you didn't provide the page number. I have looked in Colin's book and can't find anything to support your claim.
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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2018, 12:38:PM »
Yes, and you didn't provide the page number. I have looked in Colin's book and can't find anything to support your claim.





I did find the page number and it will be on the forum somewhere.

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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #88 on: February 28, 2018, 01:11:PM »




I did find the page number and it will be on the forum somewhere.

No, you didn't. It's up to you to find it, it's your claim.
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Re: Undisputed sourced crime scene evidence incriminating Sheila:
« Reply #89 on: February 28, 2018, 05:47:PM »
No, you didn't. It's up to you to find it, it's your claim.






September 2015 was the previous time I was asked the same question. Where've you been,under a rock ?