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'Crime, hearts & coronets'. How accurrate was it ?
« on: February 06, 2018, 04:51:PM »
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Re: Crime, hearts & coronets. How accurrate was it
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2018, 04:55:PM »
'Bamber wanted police to collect him on their way to White House Farm, but West urged him to make his own way there and rendezvous with officers who would be in attendance outside.'


This double alibi attempt by Bamber was very incriminating.

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'Although he lived just a few minutes drive from his parents’ property, Bamber was overtaken by the white Ford Sierra as it sped towards the village of Tolleshunt D’Arcy.'

This is common knowledge by relates to the above.

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Re: Crime, hearts & coronets. How accurrate was it
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 05:01:PM »
'At his trial Bamber didn’t challenge the police timeline or account of events, but when he later gained access to additional material recounting the officers’ experiences that morning, he identified several statements and pieces of information that he claims help exonerate him from responsibility for the murders.'

This didn't work but nothing to lose in trying.

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Sending a signal to clear the engaged tone, she was able to listen in to sounds inside the property, and told the police that the only thing audible was the sound of a barking dog (the Bambers’ Shih Tzu Crispy was later found cowering under their bed). The line could be monitored continuously from this point.

No bullets heard.

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Re: Crime, hearts & coronets. How accurrate was it
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2018, 05:07:PM »
“one dead male and one dead female in kitchen”.

The error was insignificant in itself, but when Bamber obtained a copy of the log in 2005, he quickly sought out anything that could be represented as an inconsistency and manipulated to support his claim that he’d been framed for the crime'.

This relates to Bamber having 'nothing to lose'.

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2018, 05:11:PM »
'Bamber had backed himself into a corner by claiming to have received the call from his father.'

It was now Sheila or Bamber.

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'Therefore the only possible culprits were Sheila or himself – and forensic evidence suggested Sheila didn’t do it.'

Correct.

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2018, 05:15:PM »
'A silencer designed for the Anschutz was recovered from a gun cupboard in the days following the massacre. Just visible inside was dried blood matching Sheila’s blood type. The silencer, which was also contaminated with red paint that matched scratches on the mantle shelf above the Aga.'

Common knowledge but only one piece of evidence.

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'By any account, Bamber lived it up after the deaths of his family, and spent a great deal of time partying with friends and preparing to disperse his parents’ property. Meanwhile, he attempted to sell the press topless photos of Sheila uncovered at her Maida Vale flat, and didn’t even attend the memorial service for his family held on the Sunday following the killings.'

Bamber thought he was watertight.

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Re: Crime, hearts & coronets. How accurrate was it
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2018, 05:20:PM »
'The 28-year-old mother of two may have grown up on a farm but was not used to handling firearms.'

There was also no evidence she had.

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'Her ex-husband would add that the effects of anti-psychotic drug haloperidol had made her uncoordinated and clumsy.'

I didn't know CC had said this.

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2018, 05:28:PM »
'Her (Julie) story of life in the month after the murders is a convincing tale of a person’s conscience unravelling due to the burden of carrying a great and terrible secret.'

Very unfair supporters expecting her to start revealing all 10 minutes after arriving at WHF.

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'Just as Mugford broke, confessing to close friends and readying herself to approach the police, Sergeant Jones had nearly finished pulling together his own case against Bamber. Had Julie not visited the police station in September, the detective would in any case have pulled her in for questioning.'

It's a good job Julie did approach the police otherwise the conspiracy theorists will be all over it.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2018, 05:56:PM »
'It’s worth considering the implications of the defence’s claim. If it were true, several members of the Essex constabulary would have been aware of the existence of a call from Nevill on the morning of the murders. When officers began to suspect the son of involvement and started poking around for discrepancies in Jeremy’s story, they would quickly have turned up accounts of Nevill’s call, snuffing out any doubts they had about Sheila’s culpability.'

This is regarding the Nevill calling the police claim.

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'What’s curious is that although Jeremy was present at the time, he never suggested that officers were speaking to his sister until years later when he obtained the wireless log. It’s inconceivable that officers at the scene would not have updated him to this effect at any time that morning, particularly since they may have sought his involvement in any attempt to “talk Sheila down”

Unlike Michael Ryan, Sheila obviously didn't communicate with police. So Bamber has a cheek claiming decades later,  she did.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2018, 05:59:PM »
As a matter of interest,has anyone heard/seen any comment/s of late from the authors of such as the above and all the rest of the anti-Bamber crew who wrote damning words against JB ? Or have they all scarpered until the real truth surfaces,then they'll have the cheek to tell the opposite of what they originally wrote. I can imagine Woffinden making a quick U-turn---again.

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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2018, 06:26:PM »
'Bamber also maintains that at 07.30 PC Collins did see a female in the kitchen: a dazed Sheila, having self-inflicted the first of two wounds (and one which pathologists accept would not have killed her outright), who is roused by the sound of Woodcock smashing down the main door and flees upstairs to her parents’ bedroom.'

This matches the OS reconstruction.

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2018, 06:30:PM »
'But there are prosaic explanations for this. The officers did interfere slightly with Sheila’s corpse: by their own account, the rifle was removed from her body and then returned when photographs were taken in order to represent the condition in which she was found.'

Her lower arm was moved.

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'Officers observed that wet blood had pooled in the crook of Sheila’s right arm. Congealed blood had also formed in the aperture of the lower neck wound. One possibility is that when Sheila was moved by officers at the scene, this plug became detached, and allowed blood accumulated within Sheila’s neck, viscous but not yet congealed, to run thickly beyond the entrance of the wound.'

The article does not mention the photo being enhanced to extra redness.

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2018, 06:42:PM »
'Arranging photographs of the scene chronologically in his cell, Bamber realised that he couldn’t make out the scratches in the first photographs which show most of the room: they were visible only in the close up pictures taken more than a month later'.

Bamber couldn't if there were scratches or not in the crime scene photos taken on the day of the massacre. We have to assume there were scratches.

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'If Bamber gets a third appeal, he will be the first convicted murderer to do so'.

I didn't know that.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2018, 06:48:PM »
'But I for one was drawn to the story of White House Farm by fears a miscarriage of justice had taken place, and instead found myself resolutely convinced of the defendant’s guilt.'

I also first went into the case with no view, as didn't know anything. Obviously the evidence shows 100% guilt.

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Re: 'Crime, hearts & coronets'. How accurrate was it ?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2018, 02:55:PM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=922.msg27459#msg27459

My comments are underneath the quoted text.

that blogs not even anymore and hasn't been for a while how are we supposed to coment on it.