When did the relatives tell Julie about the lockable from outside window ?

[Adam]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=296.0

Page 11 has the police telling Bamber that Julie knew about the lockable from outside window.

Obviously the relatives told Julie about this window as Bamber told the police he wasn't aware of such a window. Bit strange that Bamber then said he 'didn't think' he had told Julie about this window.

The relatives had very limited opportunities in which to tell Julie about the lockable from outside window. Julie was with Bamber 99% of the time, usually out of Essex. The other 1% of the time Julie was with friends such as Susan Battersby.

The relatives also didn't find out about the lockable from outside window until a long time after the massacre. So had a short time scale to get in touch with Julie.

In the 4 weeks before Julie approached the police, when did the relatives tell Julie about the lockable from outside window ?

[Adam]

A good start would be the date the relatives found out the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside. This will give the relatives their time scale.

Once we know their time scale, we can see what Julies movements were in that period. To try to work out when the relatives told Julie.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5815.0.html

Found it. Page 15. 

The relatives found out about the kitchen window on the 26th August.

Although Julie had spent 18 months with Bamber, both before & after the massacre, he couldn't have told Julie about this window as he told the police he was not aware of it. It had to be the relatives.

This gives the relatives a very short time scale to tell Julie about this window.

They wouldn't have met Julie after the 26th August, certainly not without Bamber being present. After Bamber & Julie split up, Julie was in London with friends.

The relatives had to have telephoned Julie & told her about the window. But did they have Julie's London phone number ?

[Adam]

It's a bit weird, the relatives out of the blue ringing Julie & saying the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside. Why an earth would they do that ? But it's the only thing supporters can cling onto. 

If Bamber told Julie about the kitchen window as Julie says he did in her WS, it makes Bamber guilty & means he lied in his police interviews.

The relatives have never said they told Julie about the kitchen window. However it needs to be proved they had the opportunity to do so in their short time scale.

[Caroline]

It's a bit weird, the relatives out of the blue ringing Julie & saying the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside. Why an earth would they do that ? But it's the only thing supporters can cling onto. 

If Bamber told Julie about the kitchen window as Julie says he did in her WS, it makes Bamber guilty & means he lied in his police interviews.

The relatives have never said they told Julie about the kitchen window. However it needs to be proved they had the opportunity to do so in their short time scale.

Why indeed, they could know that she wouldn't go straight to Jeremy and tell him that his relatives were suspicious. They couldn't afford that!

[Adam]

Julie was also telling other people what she knew in August. Before approaching the police.

If she mentioned the window then that gives the relatives a tiny time scale.

[Adam]

Why indeed, they could know that she wouldn't go straight to Jeremy and tell him that his relatives were suspicious. They couldn't afford that!

That is correct.

It's very clear that Bamber told Julie about the kitchen window. This doesn't make him guilty. But shows he knew how to exit WHF & bang shut the kitchen window. Which is a big motivation to attempt the massacre/frame.

It also shows he lied in his police interviews.

[Adam]

Obviously Bamber would only commit the massacre if he knew he could leave WHF with all windows shut from inside.

Apart from a ridiculous theory that the relatives had Julie's London telephone number & rang her after the 26th August, the evidence is Bamber knew about the kitchen window as Julie said in her WS.

[David1819]

AE informed DC Barlow the kitchen window could be closed from the outside on the 20th of August.

You can infer Julie was told of this in the same or similar circumstances to when she was told of Sheila being on the bed with the bible on her chest.

[Adam]

AE informed DC Barlow the kitchen window could be closed from the outside on the 20th of August.

You can infer Julie was told of this in the same or similar circumstances to when she was told of Sheila being on the bed with the bible on her chest.

Guess AE's WS on the 26th August must be wrong then.

AE does say in cross examination the police told her a bible was across Sheila's chest. However she can't remember if she told Julie this.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,211.msg592.html#msg592

Anyway this thread is about exonerating Bamber on the window issue.

Julie says he told her about the window. The relatives have never said they spoke to Julie about the window.

Why did & when did the relatives tell Julie ?

[Adam]

AE perhaps telling Julie about the bible is not similar to telling Julie about the lockable kitchen window.

A bible on Sheila's chest does not obviously incriminate Bamber. The kitchen window does. 

There would be a strong chance Julie would alert Bamber. If the relatives had the opportunity & crazily told Julie about the kitchen window.

Julie was with Bamber for 18 months. The most practical explanation is he told her & lied to the police in his interviews. 

[David1819]

Guess AE's WS on the 26th August must be wrong then.

I am going by Barlow and Millers handwritten notes. According to them AE told them on the 20th.

AE does say in cross examination the police told her a bible was across Sheila's chest. However she can't remember if she told Julie this.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,211.msg592.html#msg592

Anyway this thread is about exonerating Bamber on the window issue.

Julie says he told her about the window. The relatives have never said they spoke to Julie about the window.

Why did & when did the relatives tell Julie ?

You've answered your own question. Ann conveniently "can't remember" 

[Adam]

I am going by Barlow and Millers handwritten notes. According to them AE told them on the 20th.


You've answered your own question. Ann conveniently "can't remember" 

I don't know why AE would  lie about claiming to 'not remember' whether she told Julie the bible was on Sheila's chest. Telling or not telling Julie this benefits no one.

Have you got the sources for Barlow's & Millers notes ? I provided a source for AE saying she found out on the 26th.

20th or 26th, after this date,  when & why do you think the relatives told Julie about the kitchen window. Or do you believe Bamber told Julie ?

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1647.msg50140.html#msg50140

Page 11 of Julies WS says Bamber told her about the kitchen window. Prior to the massacre. Julie would of course have testified this.

Bamber didn't have to be a criminal mastermind to locate such a window. He had lived /worked at WHF virtually all his life. WHF was a big house with lots of old windows. One was likely to do what he wanted. If he couldn't find a window which banged shut from outside, it wouldn't be hard to do some minor DIY.

[Caroline]

AE informed DC Barlow the kitchen window could be closed from the outside on the 20th of August.

You can infer Julie was told of this in the same or similar circumstances to when she was told of Sheila being on the bed with the bible on her chest.

Yes, by Bamber!