Contact wounds with silencers

[Jane]

Mike's scenario matches the CT's version to an extent.

The CT believe Sheila was still alive in the kitchen when the raid team entered WHF. The raid team thought Sheila was dead & proceeded to go upstairs.

Despite the raid team now being inside WHF & Sheila having already shot herself once, she was able to get upstairs to the far side of the main bedroom & shoot herself again. The police then pulled Sheila's legs & put the bible next to her.

The police decided to frame Bamber a month later because they didn't want anyone finding out about Sheila still being alive inside WHF. Experts, relatives & Julie were brought into the frame.

On a scale of 1-10, how much credence can we place on information released by the CT?

[Adam]

On a scale of 1-10, how much credence can we place on information released by the CT?

I would rate it 1.

Sheila being alive when the raid team enters WHF matches other claims such as the figure in the window, lights going on/off & 999 calls.

However no one has ever said why Sheila would stay alive for another 4 hours after killing 4 people. If she wanted to committ suicide (which she did do), why wait ? Thread already created on this.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6753.msg309787.html#msg309787

[Adam]

I'm not sure why the police would commence an Industrial frame on an innocent man of murdering 5 people,  weeks after the massacre. Espescially as they knew he was innocent.

Just because the police didn't want anyone finding out that Sheila was still alive in the kitchen.

Who outside of a few police officers were going to find out Sheila was still alive. And who cared ? No one. Certainly not Bamber who was usually on his jolly ups.

[Caroline]

I would rate it 1.

Sheila being alive when the raid team enters WHF matches other claims such as the figure in the window, lights going on/off & 999 calls.

However no one has ever said why Sheila would stay alive for another 4 hours after killing 4 people. If she wanted to committ suicide (which she did do), why wait ? Thread already created on this.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6753.msg309787.html#msg309787

I think you're being generous there Adam.

[mike tesko]

Fact - No wounds consistent from a ruger .223 police rifle on Sheila.

Fact - Muzzle imprint matches the thredded end of the .22lr rifle barrel.

Fact - Law enforcement did not use silencers.

Thus the police did not and could not have shot Sheila. Claims that police shot Sheila are not mere opinion but factually incorrect statements.

Cops did shoot Sheila when entry was gained into the kitchen, there exists an 'Officers Report' (1612) confirming that shooting incident!

There is no muzzle imprint of the threaded rifle barrel, the dimensions of the lower wound were created by the .22 bullet which penetrated the skin, these characteristics were present in ranging tests when the muzzle of the gun, and the muzzle of a silencer were not in contact with the target paper the results were recorded on. It is a fact that cops shot Sheila the 'Officers Report' (1612) confirms it...

[Jane]

Cops did shoot Sheila when entry was gained into the kitchen, there exists an 'Officers Report' (1612) confirming that shooting incident!

There is no muzzle imprint of the threaded rifle barrel, the dimensions of the lower wound were created by the .22 bullet which penetrated the skin, these characteristics were present in ranging tests when the muzzle of the gun, and the muzzle of a silencer were not in contact with the target paper the results were recorded on. It is a fact that cops shot Sheila the 'Officers Report' (1612) confirms it...

It's also an alleged 'fact' that there were two bodies in the kitchen.............although quite what Sheila was supposed to have died of is anyone's guess if she hadn't shot herself and police had yet to shoot her. Of course, if an alleged report exists -which confirms this (although, for the life of me, and for obvious reasons, ie it could be leaked?, I can't imagine why such a grave error would be recorded) and you 'know' about it, so, too, must every agency involved, In fact, it would probably be public knowledge.
Then there's the other alleged 'fact' that Nevill phoned the police,which, as no one has come forward to admit it -quite probably because it's the first they've heard of it- it has yet to be verified.

[David1819]

Cops did shoot Sheila when entry was gained into the kitchen, there exists an 'Officers Report' (1612) confirming that shooting incident!

There is no muzzle imprint of the threaded rifle barrel, the dimensions of the lower wound were created by the .22 bullet which penetrated the skin, these characteristics were present in ranging tests when the muzzle of the gun, and the muzzle of a silencer were not in contact with the target paper the results were recorded on. It is a fact that cops shot Sheila the 'Officers Report' (1612) confirms it...

Mike the police did not have .22 bullets. In the post above you confirm you know the fact that Sheila suffered a shot from a .22 yet at the same time you claim the police shot Sheila. 

Your own posts debunk your own theories.

[Adam]

Mike the police did not have .22 bullets. In the post above you confirm you know the fact that Sheila suffered a shot from a .22 yet at the same time you claim the police shot Sheila. 

Your own posts debunk your own theories.

Do you agree with the CT. That Sheila was alive in the kitchen when the raid team entered WHF ?

[David1819]

Do you agree with the CT. That Sheila was alive in the kitchen when the raid team entered WHF ?

Where does the CT mention this?

Anyway the answer is No.

[Adam]

Where does the CT mention this?

Anyway the answer is No.

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/what-really-happened

Well it's the OS. Which I am sure is the same thing. Anyway Bamber's signature is attached.

When do you think Sheila shot herself ?

[David1819]

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/what-really-happened

Well it's the OS. Which I am sure is the same thing. Anyway Bamber's signature is attached.

When do you think Sheila shot herself ?

I believe the noise that PC Hall heard upstairs was Sheila shooting herself. So around 7:40am

It is mentioned in the Dickinson enquiry that Dr Craig took no steps to accertain Sheila's time of death. Had he done then none of this fiasco would ever have happened.

[Jane]

I believe the noise that PC Hall heard upstairs was Sheila shooting herself. So around 7:40am

It is mentioned in the Dickinson enquiry that Dr Craig took no steps to accertain Sheila's time of death. Had he done then none of this fiasco would ever have happened.

Why single out Sheila from the other victims? I don't recall he gave a TOD for any of the others, any more than he didn't note more than "A" bullet wound for each when all but Sheila had numerous.

[Caroline]

I believe the noise that PC Hall heard upstairs was Sheila shooting herself. So around 7:40am

It is mentioned in the Dickinson enquiry that Dr Craig took no steps to accertain Sheila's time of death. Had he done then none of this fiasco would ever have happened.

In order to do that, he would have had to interfere with the crime scene - that wasn't why he was there.

[Adam]

I believe the noise that PC Hall heard upstairs was Sheila shooting herself. So around 7:40am

It is mentioned in the Dickinson enquiry that Dr Craig took no steps to accertain Sheila's time of death. Had he done then none of this fiasco would ever have happened.

I thought the police entered WHF before 7.40am.

What do think Sheila was doing between 3.48am - 7.40am ? She must have changed, read the bible & had her shower before the police arrived at 3.48am.

Why do you believe Sheila kept herself alive for so long ?

[David1819]

Why single out Sheila from the other victims? I don't recall he gave a TOD for any of the others, any more than he didn't note more than "A" bullet wound for each when all but Sheila had numerous.

Like you have already said. You wont ever get an answer. 


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