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Offline Adam

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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2017, 11:18:AM »
I've never believed a posted document on here to be false. I mean, creating a false document. Most wouldn't know how.

Obviously the main problem with supporters is they never provide sources. Either saying 'it's on the forum somewhere', 'find it yourself', 'use you're eyes' or giving false sources & hopeing it's not checked. Sometimes it can take hours or days before a source is supplied with a lot of huffing in between.

I don't agree that posters are not obliged to provide sources. It's a forum on a real life crime. So if a statement is made, a back up source should be supplied. Espescially if requested.

Another frustrating thing for guilters is when claims of new information are made, but not released on the forum. These are big claims showing Bamber is innocent. These are now dating back years & haven't come to anything. Hopefully Roch, JackieD, Bill & David will now release these to the forum.

No one can accuse Mike of not providing sources. I look forward to seeing some more.
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2017, 11:31:AM »
I've never believed a posted document on here to be false. I mean, creating a false document. Most wouldn't know how.

Obviously the main problem with supporters is they never provide sources. Either saying 'it's on the forum somewhere', 'find it yourself', 'use you're eyes' or giving false sources & hopeing it's not checked. Sometimes it can take hours or days before a source is supplied with a lot of huffing in between.

I don't agree that posters are not obliged to provide sources. It's a forum on a real life crime. So if a statement is made, a back up source should be supplied. Espescially if requested.

Another frustrating thing for guilters is when claims of new information are made, but not released on the forum. These are big claims showing Bamber is innocent. These are now dating back years & haven't come to anything. Hopefully Roch, JackieD, Bill & David will now release these to the forum.

No one can accuse Mike of not providing sources. I look forward to seeing some more.

It's really easy to create a new document from an old one however, it doesn't have to be Mike who edited it for it to be false. In order to make a false document, all you have to do is take any of the statements, save it, open it in a picture editor (such as photoshop), remove the statement content and replace it with another name and details (using a font such as Courier). If you then print it, scan and save it - it won't show that it was edited, it would just look as though it were picked out of a pile, scanned and uploaded to the forum. It wouldn't fool a professional, but it would fool someone desperate enough to believe that Bamber is innocent. I created the one in 5 minutes and posted it last week to demonstrate how easy it was/is.
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2017, 12:02:PM »
It's really easy to create a new document from an old one however, it doesn't have to be Mike who edited it for it to be false. In order to make a false document, all you have to do is take any of the statements, save it, open it in a picture editor (such as photoshop), remove the statement content and replace it with another name and details (using a font such as Courier). If you then print it, scan and save it - it won't show that it was edited, it would just look as though it were picked out of a pile, scanned and uploaded to the forum. It wouldn't fool a professional, but it would fool someone desperate enough to believe that Bamber is innocent. I created the one in 5 minutes and posted it last week to demonstrate how easy it was/is.

I don't believe any documents posted on here have been edited by the poster. Whether they were falsified 30 years earlier, no one will know.

All documents posted on here I treat as genuine. However a genuine document posted doesn't mean the poster has backed up their claim.

David yesterday posted a document which simply had the names of 5 people on. I believe it's a genuine document but in no way does it show that these 5 people simultaneously had access to Sheila's blood & wanted Bamber disinherited. Which was my original question.  Yesterday I asked David for further information.
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2017, 12:11:PM »
I always like giving a source. It only takes a few seconds to find & backs up my statement. So not sure what the problem is with other posters.

I will happily provide sources upon request as well. I would have done this after I posted about Bamber telling the police Sheila committed child abuse (source Wilkes book). However Lookout instantly called me a 'liar' rather than requesting a source. This creates a bad atmosphere on the forum.
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2017, 12:16:PM »
There are certainly many things not seen by either JB's current legal team or the Campaign Team.

What I am saying is that I have documents which are the original versions of documents, signed in ink, some documents have red inked signatures, initials, and comments, other documents are in blue ink, and some are in black ink - many are not photocopies, I have the originals which would have been destroyed in 2003 / 2004 if I had not volunteered to take possession of them! I know that when Ewen Smith was representing Jeremy that he had not seen some of the documents I produced for him to look at, and of course when Jeremy hired GDS he too had not seen documents in my possession! What I ended up with was disclosure of material after the failed 2002 which was being stored and kept in a garage in Essex by one of Jeremy's close friends, but they needed to space because grandchildren came long and they needed more space to park a bigger vehicle and nobody had any room to store the material further - it was all destined to be destroyed until I volunteered to take it all...

Amongst the stuff were unopened letters addressed to Jeremy from various members of the public which Jeremy had not even bothered to open and read...

Anyway, as I say I have it all, its not everything, but its a substantial amount...

I know there must be things that his legal team cannot have seen because the presence of residue from the ejection port that was found on the left hand side of Sheila's nightdress was evidence that anybody would have relied upon to support the case for Sheila having fired the rifle left handed with the ejection port facing inward toward the left hand side of her body. The anshuzt rifle was designed to be fired by a right handed shooter with the ejection port facing away from the body! Anyone who handled that rifle on a regular basis and fired it on some other previous occasions would never have held the gun in such a way that the spent cartridges would eject against their own body! The Ballistic Expert for the prosecution kept this vital evidence all to himself, which caused the jury to rely on a lack of lead deposit on Sheila's hand swabs, to to find that Sheila had not loaded bullets or handled the gun at the time of the shootings! Well, that residue on the left hand side of Sheila's nightdress profoundly suggests that she had fired the gun and that she did fire it! When shee had done, she must have held the gun in a way it was never designed to be fired, with the fingers of her left hand around the trigger mechanism, and her outstretched right arm holding toward the end of the rifles barrel. I am not so stupid as some of you might choose to believe that I am, I know a thing or two, and it now becomes clear to me that Sheila had handled the rifle and that she was handling it when shots were fired from it..

The smears of blood, the gouges in the region of her right wrist and the top part of her right hand, now take on new significance, and for what its worth I shall now proceed to outline that significance!

At all times when the shooter was firing bullets out of that gun, the shooter (Sheila) held the gun on the wrong side of her body to which the rifle in question was designee to be used (the shooter was Sheila), in so doing she had the fingers of her right hand close to and when necessary upon the trigger operating it when she fired shots. A significant feature of of this was that at all times that she fired bullets at a victim (all of them) she had her right arm outstretched along toward the end of the guns barrel. What this  served to do is that it placed her right hand, her right wrist, and her right forearm in between her body and the person she did fire the gun at...

I am of course, and in particular referring to the shootings of June Bamber and Neville Bamber (not the child victims, for reasons which will become apparent)! I do not believe that June or Neville did not try to grasp the gun from Sheila when she was shooting at them! In fact I would expect Nevill Bamber to fight back, and the first contact he would have had with Sheila was with her right hand, her right wrist and her right forearm which we now know she must have been using to steady the barrel of the gun, holding the gun so that after each fire of the gun by her, residue from the ejection port which is situated on the right side of the gun contaminated the left hand side of her nightdress!

The following crime scene photographs tend to support that which I am saying, they show that there was for some reason contact with a victim, or blood from a victim, all over her right forearm, her right wrist and the top part of her right hand!
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2017, 12:23:PM »
I am particularly interested in the following image and whatever was responsible for making those markings on the top part of Sheila Caffells right hand:-
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2017, 01:04:PM »
Obviously the main problem with supporters is they never provide sources. Either saying 'it's on the forum somewhere', 'find it yourself', 'use you're eyes' or giving false sources & hopeing it's not checked.

I provide sources all the time. Whereas your idea of providing a "source" is making up some bullshit and writing "COA Undisputed" at the end of it. At best you copy and paste from the COA judgement without including the sources that the COA relied apon.

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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2017, 01:16:PM »
I am particularly interested in the following image and whatever was responsible for making those markings on the top part of Sheila Caffells right hand:-

Fix the following image in your minds and try to imagine that Sheila was the shooter, that Sheila is the shooter - her right arm outstretched and where the guns barrel extends and where the wood and the metal meet Sheila was resting that part of the gun on the top part of her right hand, that's how the mark on the top part of her right hand got made...

Now look at the following images of the fingers of her left hand - and what I will refer to as showing a view of her trigger finger!!
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2017, 01:22:PM »
Sheila handled the gun awkwardly, on the wrong side of her body, she fired bullets from the gun, the spent cartridges were ejected and residue from the ejection port of the gun contaminated the Left hand side of her nightdress...
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2017, 01:24:PM »
Sheila handled the gun awkwardly, on the wrong side of her body, she fired bullets from the gun, the spent cartridges were ejected and residue from the ejection port of the gun contaminated the Left hand side of her nightdress...

The ballistic expert for the prosecution withheld this key evidence and made no mention of it at all in his witness statement or trial testimony!
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2017, 05:21:PM »
Mike,do you want me to include anything in the letter I'm writing to Jeremy ?

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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2017, 05:29:PM »






I'd trust Jeremy against you any day !! He's told the truth all along but has unfortunately been surrounded by people just like you who are completely void of any feeling except for themselves. I'm actually in the middle of writing to him now.
One thing for sure,he'll have sussed out people like you,as he had with his relatives. He's not the fool who EP and the rest took him for.

But, thankfully for you, it will be people just like us, who will be there for you after Jeremy does to you what he appears to have done to everyone he no longer feels he has the need for. I have NO doubt that he susses people out. They'll be split between those he can use and those he can't...................as for the bit about ME having no feelings for anyone but myself, it's not I who inserts what I do/don't do for my family/friends/charity, into every other post, so I guess that'll be you talking about yourself again.

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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2017, 05:42:PM »
But, thankfully for you, it will be people just like us, who will be there for you after Jeremy does to you what he appears to have done to everyone he no longer feels he has the need for. I have NO doubt that he susses people out. They'll be split between those he can use and those he can't...................as for the bit about ME having no feelings for anyone but myself, it's not I who inserts what I do/don't do for my family/friends/charity, into every other post, so I guess that'll be you talking about yourself again.
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Most likely these " others " that you speak about ( and repeat what's been said  ::) have turned out to be backstabbers and turncoats like yourself. As I said,he's no fool and can suss their sort out no bother.

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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2017, 09:59:PM »





You should worry------" I've got no knowledge of this particular subject ". I can't shine at everything I don't suppose.

Never mind Lookout, you'll find something one day!
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Re: The unseen, unread Case files - the search for the truth...
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2017, 10:02:PM »
Never mind Lookout, you'll find something one day!







Yes----the truth for Jeremy.