Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[Steve_uk]

Even so, letting the relatives have access to the farmhouse was very stupid if he's guilty.

He never regarded it as his home. He was away 30 weeks a year from an early age and when he left school he went on two foreign trips, then moved into Bourtree Cottage.

[Kaldin]

I think David is insinuating that the silencer did not form part of the crime.

Yes, I see what you mean. Well it's possible, but I still think that planting evidence in that manner is very unlikely.

[David1819]

Yes, I know. So Sheila would have had to go the cupboard, get the silencer out, put it on the gun, shoot everyone, and then put it back in the cupboard before she shot herself. That is generally considered a highly unlikely scenario, partly because people think she wouldn't try to shoot herself upstairs, realise that she couldn't reach with the silencer on, go downstairs to put it away, and then go back upstairs to shoot herself.

However, it's possible that she was not upstairs when she decided to shoot herself.

She would also have to remove the silencer from the gun before shooting Nicholas Caffell and before prodding Nevills back after heating the barrel.

[Kaldin]

He never regarded it as his home. He was away 30 weeks a year from an early age and when he left school he went on two foreign trips, then moved into Bourtree Cottage.

He just shot his whole family there! As next of kin, wouldn't he have the sole right to be there? I suppose the question is - did the relatives have the right to go there without his permission? If not, then I really don't understand why he would let them go there to poke around.

[Steve_uk]

She would also have to remove the silencer from the gun before shooting Nicholas Caffell and before prodding Nevills back after heating the barrel.

No because the first shot Jeremy pumped into Nicholas stopped the blood flow. Nevill could have been prodded with the poker.

[Kaldin]

She would also have to remove the silencer from the gun before shooting Nicholas Caffell and before prodding Nevills back after heating the barrel.

Is there evidence that the silencer was not on the gun when Nicholas was shot then?

I know about this mysterious burn on Nevill's back, but I don't know any details.

[Steve_uk]

He just shot his whole family there! As next of kin, wouldn't he have the sole right to be there? I suppose the question is - did the relatives have the right to go there without his permission? If not, then I really don't understand why he would let them go there to poke around.

The farm was owned by the Henry Smith charity and Nevill and June were tenants. Jeremy was no longer living there so police handed the keys back to Ann Eaton.

[Kaldin]

The farm was owned by the Henry Smith charity and Nevill and June were tenants. Jeremy was no longer living there so police handed the keys back to Ann Eaton.

Hmmm. Did they have the right to do that without asking Jeremy? I know it was rented, but the stuff in it would belong to him.

[Steve_uk]

Hmmm. Did they have the right to do that without asking Jeremy? I know it was rented, but the stuff in it would belong to him.

Yes and how he and Brett Collins knew that when they began to evacuate the contents therefrom.

[Kaldin]

Yes and how he and Brett Collins knew that when they began to evacuate the contents therefrom.

Right, so why would the police just give the keys to his cousin without asking him?

[Steve_uk]

Right, so why would the police just give the keys to his cousin without asking him?

I suppose because they were proper farmers, not impostors.

[Kaldin]

Nah, that doesn't make sense.

Anyway, I must log off for now - work tomorrow. It's been interesting.

[Caroline]

Right, so why would the police just give the keys to his cousin without asking him?

They didn't

[mike tesko]

Yes and how he and Brett Collins knew that when they began to evacuate the contents therefrom.

Seems to me that it was the relatives who were raping the contents of the farmhouse (from 10th August 1985  onward) about one month  before Brett Collins / Jeremy Bamber took similar action. If I recollect correctly, it was as early as 11th August 1985,  or thereabouts, that Jeremy had a confrontation  with his relatives regarding items of property they had been taking or removing from whf.  I have a clear recollection of Jeremy speaking to me (HMP Full Sutton) regarding some sort of conflict or confrontation, between Jeremy and his relatives prior to the evening of the 12th August (1985) when Peter Eaton handed over a silencer to DS Jones at the Eaton residence...

The absolute truth of the matter, is / was that prior to the evening of 12th August 1985,  when Peter Eaton handed over the first silencer handled by relatives, and that retrospectively before that point and the earlier occasion (evening of 9th August 1985),  when police handed the keys to the farmhouse to them (at the scene)...

So, what we end up with are two occasions, one being 'the evening of 9th August 1985,  when police handed the keys of the farmhouse back to the relatives ( Ann Eaton) and secondly, an occasion when DS Jones took possession of that particular silencer from Peter Eaton on the evening of the 12th August 1985. Sandwiched in between both of these events, was /is the fact that a number of significant events had already happened with respect to that silencer being 'found' inside a gun cupboard in the downstairs office by David Boutflour on 10th August 1985,  and the occasion when DS Jones collected that particular silencer from Peter Eaton, who handed it back to the police on the evening of 12th August 1985..

You may enquire as to what (if any) events which occurred could have any impact upon the credibility that this part of the relatives / police account, and the integrity of the various scientific experts who are responsible for supporting the fact that Sheila had indeed been shot once downstairs in the kitchen (in accordance with the
content of police message logs which place the presence of 'two dead bodies' having been originally present downstairs in the kitchen (from 7.37am, onward), with only a further three bodies of victims found upstairs by 8.10am..

First of all, let's get something absolutely clear - there existed 'two silencers' two identical looking Parker Hale silencers which were normally kept at / inside the farmhouse and which were completely different to one another (design wise) internally..

[mike tesko]

First of all, let's get something absolutely clear - there existed 'two silencers' two identical looking Parker Hale silencers which were normally kept at / inside the farmhouse and which were completely different to one another (design wise) 1997 internally..

One silencer belonging to Anthony Pargeter, and the other being the silencer purchased by Neville Bamber in 1984..