Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[David1819]

Why would he have done that? 

He was convicted in 1987 of creating and using forged documents. Then again in 2012.

[lookout]

Gawd, isn't there anyone you can trust??

[Caroline]

Gawd, isn't there anyone you can trust??

Certainly NOT him, he's the one responsible for the Sheila still bleeding photo. Although in this instance, I don't think he's responsible for this particular statement.

[lookout]

Certainly NOT him, he's the one responsible for the Sheila still bleeding photo. Although in this instance, I don't think he's responsible for this particular statement.

This is why I go by my own instincts most of the time.

[Caroline]

This is why I go by my own instincts most of the time.

I think we all do - most of the information available is (I believe) genuine, however, some seems to have been created in order to manipulate.

[Kaldin]

Re the silencer, my question would be this:

If Jeremy did indeed remove the silencer because he realised that Sheila couldn't shoot herself with it attached to the gun, why would he put it back in the cupboard? Of course, if he shot Sheila with it on, he might have realised that her blood might be found in it, so it would be best to hide it, but in a gun cupboard where anyone could find it? He would surely have known that blood could have been found in it quite easily.

Not only that, but even if he thought it would be a good idea to pretend the silencer hadn't been used at all, why would he put it in the cupboard with visible paint and/or blood on it?

Why not just take it with him and hide it somewhere? If anyone asked where it was, he could just say he didn't know.

[lookout]

If he'd allegedly walked over the fields/muddy flats after the murders, he'd have winged the silencer out to sea.

[Steve_uk]

Re the silencer, my question would be this:

If Jeremy did indeed remove the silencer because he realised that Sheila couldn't shoot herself with it attached to the gun, why would he put it back in the cupboard? Of course, if he shot Sheila with it on, he might have realised that her blood might be found in it, so it would be best to hide it, but in a gun cupboard where anyone could find it? He would surely have known that blood could have been found in it quite easily.

Not only that, but even if he thought it would be a good idea to pretend the silencer hadn't been used at all, why would he put it in the cupboard with visible paint and/or blood on it?

Why not just take it with him and hide it somewhere? If anyone asked where it was, he could just say he didn't know.

I suppose he became overconfident after the successful murder of five people. Alternatively he might have panicked after having to shoot Sheila twice and being in a hurry to return to Goldhanger to form his alibi. Did he cut up the tampon in the lounge and attempt to clean it, was his rationale to hide a leaf in a forest or was it all just a game to him as I suspect?  He did try to get Ann Eaton onside pre-murders with a few favours and suggestions, which makes me think he was expecting some confrontational response from that quarter.

[Kaldin]

I suppose he became overconfident after the successful murder of five people. Alternatively he might have panicked after having to shoot Sheila twice and being in a hurry to return to Goldhanger to form his alibi. Did he cut up the tampon in the lounge and attempt to clean it, was his rationale to hide a leaf in a forest or was it all just a game to him as I suspect?  He did try to get Ann Eaton onside pre-murders with a few favours and suggestions, which makes me think he was expecting some confrontational response from that quarter.

He must have known he didn't have an alibi which would stand up anyway. He could have phoned the police at any time.

If he took the time to carefully place the Bible on Sheila's chest, he wasn't panicking, and he wasn't worrying about time.

That silencer in the cupboard bothers me. It would have been a lot easier to take it with him than to try to clean it. In any case, he didn't clean it very well if he did try. If he tried to clean the inside, how could he have missed the outside where there was clearly red paint?

Also, if he tried to clean the inside, then he knew there would be blood in it, and it would be very stupid to think he could get it all out. If he didn't realise there would be blood on it, he would have simply taken it off the gun and left it near Sheila's body.

[David1819]

He must have known he didn't have an alibi which would stand up anyway. He could have phoned the police at any time.

If he took the time to carefully place the Bible on Sheila's chest, he wasn't panicking, and he wasn't worrying about time.

That silencer in the cupboard bothers me. It would have been a lot easier to take it with him than to try to clean it. In any case, he didn't clean it very well if he did try. If he tried to clean the inside, how could he have missed the outside where there was clearly red paint?

Also, if he tried to clean the inside, then he knew there would be blood in it, and it would be very stupid to think he could get it all out. If he didn't realise there would be blood on it, he would have simply taken it off the gun and left it near Sheila's body.

The silencer was inside the cupboard all night long, playing no role in the deaths. It stayed there until it was found the weekend following the murders. Blood was soon planted inside it to incriminate JB.

[Steve_uk]

He must have known he didn't have an alibi which would stand up anyway. He could have phoned the police at any time.

If he took the time to carefully place the Bible on Sheila's chest, he wasn't panicking, and he wasn't worrying about time.

That silencer in the cupboard bothers me. It would have been a lot easier to take it with him than to try to clean it. In any case, he didn't clean it very well if he did try. If he tried to clean the inside, how could he have missed the outside where there was clearly red paint?

Also, if he tried to clean the inside, then he knew there would be blood in it, and it would be very stupid to think he could get it all out. If he didn't realise there would be blood on it, he would have simply taken it off the gun and left it near Sheila's body.

He was hoping that the short interval of time which elapsed before the final murder and the telephone call to Julie would stand him in good stead for the alibi. He tossed the bible onto Sheila's chest mockingly and contemptuously. Had the silencer been found in an adjacent field or on the estuary bed that would have been a giveaway.

[Kaldin]

The silencer was inside the cupboard all night long, playing no role in the deaths. It stayed there until it was found the weekend following the murders. Blood was soon planted inside it to incriminate JB.

By whom? You don't need to answer that. 

Let's see now, let's say someone wants to frame Jeremy for the crime. They'd have to be pretty imaginitive to come up with the idea of putting blood in a silencer - not just Sheila's blood but other blood too. I really don't know that would have occurred to anyone.

[Kaldin]

He was hoping that the short interval of time which elapsed before the final murder and the telephone call to Julie would stand him in good stead for the alibi. He tossed the bible onto Sheila's chest mockingly and contemptuously. Had the silencer been found in an adjacent field or on the estuary bed that would have been a giveaway.

Oh no. He wouldn't have tossed the Bible on her in that manner. He was trying to make it look like Sheila had done it, and he wouldn't have been stupid enough to just toss a Bible at her.

I don't understand this "alibi". Nobody knew what time they died anyway. Did he really think they could pinpoint it to the nearest minute? I doubt it. He knew he had no alibi.

[Kaldin]

He would have had plenty of time to get rid of the silencer. He was banking on the police thinking Sheila had done it, right? He could have hidden it later where nobody would ever find it.

[David1819]

He would have had plenty of time to get rid of the silencer. He was banking on the police thinking Sheila had done it, right? He could have hidden it later where nobody would ever find it.

Or placed it next to her body. Making it look like she had taken it off.