Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[Adam]

This I have already answered enought times.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8033.msg394832.html#msg394832

I am begining to think you are suffering from Alzheimer's.

I remembered you used to be a hardcore guilter. Something you had forgotten about.

I hadn't forgotten about you're clothes in a bucket suggestion. But never thought you would be daft enough to bring it up again.

Why don't you just say you believe the relatives approached EP with the silencer fabrication idea. Or EP fabricated the silencer then asked the relatives to lie in their WS's & pretend they found it ? It has to be one or the other.

[mike tesko]

I remembered you used to be a hardcore guilter. Something you had forgotten about.

I hadn't forgotten about you're clothes in a bucket suggestion. But never thought you would be daft enough to bring it up again.

Why don't you just say you believe the relatives approached EP with the silencer fabrication idea. Or EP fabricated the silencer then asked the relatives to lie in their WS's & pretend they found it ? It has to be one or the other.

Look, a silencer 'was handed over by two different relatives', by Peter Eaton to Stan Jones on the 12th August 1985, and by Ann Eaton to DC Oakey on the 11th September 1985...

It's about time that Essex police and the relatives concerned admitted to what they did and are responsible for doing...

Please, are we all seeking the truth in this matter, or is everyone just seeking to justify that Jeremy Bamber was the actual killer?

C'mon, be realistic...

[mike tesko]

What evidence is there to support the silencer was not used ?

The silencer had human blood in. Which was from Sheila's contact shot. It also had the aga paint on which got there from the kitchen fight.

The only way this evidence be on the silencer is with Bamber as the killer. Or in you're view,  the police & relatives working together to fabricate the silencer.

It wasn't necessarily Sheila Caffells blood, because the blood expert, John Hayward, also made a report, dated, 3rd October, 1985,  in which it states that the blood could have originated from either Sheila Caffell, or Robert Boutflour!

[David1819]

I hadn't forgotten about you're clothes in a bucket suggestion. But never thought you would be daft enough to bring it up again.

So you do know they had Sheila's blood in their possession along with the sound moderator. So why ask?

Plus I am assuming you already know that mentrual blood is not the same as blood from a cut? It contains flakes from blood clots, womb linen and anticoagulant enzymes that prevent it from drying quickly.

Google image search "menstrual blood" it looks very much like AE described it on the Sound moderator "A BLOB OF JAM"! 

[mike tesko]

So you do know they had Sheila's blood in their possession along with the sound moderator. So why ask?

Plus I am assuming you already know that mentrual blood is not the same as blood from a cut? It contains flakes from blood clots, womb linen and anticoagulant enzymes that prevent it from drying quickly.

Google image search "menstrual blood" it looks very much like AE described it on the Sound moderator "A BLOB OF JAM"! 

Was it David Boutflour who said it looked like a blob of jam?

Nevertheless, four days after the tragedy and it has a consistency of jam...

You scrape the jam like substance off the end of the silencer, and save it for a month, and 'hey presto' it dries into a flake...

[Adam]

So you do know they had Sheila's blood in their possession along with the sound moderator. So why ask?

Plus I am assuming you already know that mentrual blood is not the same as blood from a cut? It contains flakes from blood clots, womb linen and anticoagulant enzymes that prevent it from drying quickly.

Google image search "menstrual blood" it looks very much like AE described it on the Sound moderator "A BLOB OF JAM"! 

David no one supports you're view that the relatives went into a bucket of water and attempted to transfer diluted blood from soaking wet underwear onto a silencer.

The relatives either asked the police to fabricate the silencer for them. Or the police fabricated the silencer and asked the relatives to create false WS's & say they found the silencer.

Please finally make a choice.

[Jane]

So you do know they had Sheila's blood in their possession along with the sound moderator. So why ask?

Plus I am assuming you already know that mentrual blood is not the same as blood from a cut? It contains flakes from blood clots, womb linen and anticoagulant enzymes that prevent it from drying quickly.

Google image search "menstrual blood" it looks very much like AE described it on the Sound moderator "A BLOB OF JAM"! 

David!! Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that somehow they managed to insert blood (and a jam-like blob?), heavily diluted by greater parts of water, into the silencer? There was never a bucket full of blood. There was a bucket containing water into which two pairs of blood-stained knickers had been placed.

 Your post is both patronizing and condescending. I rather think the majority of us here have regularly shed enough of it to know what it looks like without being reminded of it by someone who's never experienced it.

[lookout]

Was it David Boutflour who said it looked like a blob of jam?

Nevertheless, four days after the tragedy and it has a consistency of jam...

You scrape the jam like substance off the end of the silencer, and save it for a month, and 'hey presto' it dries into a flake...

It was AE who'd said that I think------------a " blob of blood " is usually a clot. Blood is liquid and spreads,so won't adhere to anything like a clot will.

[Adam]

It seems David is suggesting the relatives fabricated the silencer without police assistance.

Quite apart from the preposturous suggestion that the relatives went into a bucket of water to put blood onto a silencer, the relatives also needed to know - 

Contact shots during the massacre. 

Liklihood of back splatter with that rifle. 

Blood already on rifle nozzle. 

Photos of aga. 

Lenght of rifle with silencer. 

Lenght of Sheila's arms. 

Other evidence showing guilt/innocence. 

Police checks already carried out on silencers. 

Where to get Sheila's blood. 

How to insert Sheila's blood. 

If unable to get Sheila's blood, what was her blood type. 

Would someone else's blood be enough. 

How to effectivly scrape the aga to replicate a scrape during a random fight.

Possibility of a successful silencer frame securing a conviction. 

Punishment if convicted of a attempting to frame a man of murdering 5 people. 

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It's obviously impossible for the relatives to single handedly fabricate the silencer. To frame an innocent man.

I have no idea why David won't say who approached who. It's obvious the police & relatives had to work together.

[Caroline]

David no one supports you're view that the relatives went into a bucket of water and attempted to transfer diluted blood from soaking wet underwear onto a silencer.

The relatives either asked the police to fabricate the silencer for them. Or the police fabricated the silencer and asked the relatives to create false WS's & say they found the silencer.

Please finally make a choice.

The notion that the silencer was contaminated with blood from the underwear is absurd! I toyed with the idea but dismissed it as desperate. If the silencer was faked, it had to be the police.

[mike tesko]

The notion that the silencer was contaminated with blood from the underwear is absurd! I toyed with the idea but dismissed it as desperate. If the silencer was faked, it had to be the police.

Aah, this brings into question, then of the third blood sample taken from Sheila Caffell during autopsy, when in the case of the other victims, only one or two samples were taken!

The COLP investigation could not find out what happened to the third sample of blood taken from Sheila Caffells body on the 7th August 1985, and Essex police volunteered no information regarding what they had done with it, or what had happened to that third sample of Sheila Caffells blood..

[David1819]

The notion that the silencer was contaminated with blood from the underwear is absurd! I toyed with the idea but dismissed it as desperate. If the silencer was faked, it had to be the police.

Of course you did 

[Caroline]

Of course you did 

Why are you talking to me xxx xxxx? Do you seriously think you are the first to suggest the source of blood came from the underwear? Many have suggested it but it's a ludicrous notion. However, it's even more ludicrous when you ask Jeremy about it. I'll let you do that and see if you get the same reply 

[David1819]

Why are you talking to me you worm? Do you seriously think you are the first to suggest the source of blood came from the underwear?

Since I got the idea from something mike uploaded a while ago. Absolutely not. The Author is correct in that it is only something a woman think of. It is certainly not something I would think of out of nowhere.

And if you remember I pointed out the address of the author to you. According to you they only lived a five minute drive away from you. Did you ever get round to finding out who the author is?

[Adam]

The notion that the silencer was contaminated with blood from the underwear is absurd! I toyed with the idea but dismissed it as desperate. If the silencer was faked, it had to be the police.

David prefers to suggest  the relatives -

Dipped their hands into a bucket of cold water.

Pulled out some soaking wet underwear which may have had some diluted blood on.

Waited until this underwear dried.

Expertly transferred any miniscule dried blood embedded into underwear into the silencer baffles.

Oh, and then scratched the aga.