Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[Jane]

Jeremy left the rifle with the silencer unattached. The silencer was in cupboard all night along, nobody used it. There is an abundance of evidence to support this.

Unless Jeremy specifies what lead up to the silencer being unattached, surely there must be several possibilities as to why this was. To look at this we have to go back to when he first decided to go bunny bashing. 1) did he make the decision that the silencer was superfluous to the job and so removed it 1a) did he then unscrew it and replace it right at the back of the understair (gun) cupboard 1b) leave it on the table/settle where it was found by another person and placed right at the back of the understair (gun) cupboard? 2) was the rifle already sans silencer when Jeremy first picked it up. It actually matters not a jot whether it was/wasn't attached. The important thing isn't even that it was located in the understair (gun) cupboard. The important thing is about WHERE it was in the gun cupboard. It isn't usual for anyone to place something in regular use in a place where it's at it's most inaccessible, but it IS a place where someone might try to hide something.

[David1819]

Unless Jeremy specifies what lead up to the silencer being unattached, surely there must be several possibilities as to why this was. To look at this we have to go back to when he first decided to go bunny bashing. 1) did he make the decision that the silencer was superfluous to the job and so removed it 1a) did he then unscrew it and replace it right at the back of the understair (gun) cupboard 1b) leave it on the table/settle where it was found by another person and placed right at the back of the understair (gun) cupboard? 2) was the rifle already sans silencer when Jeremy first picked it up. It actually matters not a jot whether it was/wasn't attached. The important thing isn't even that it was located in the understair (gun) cupboard. The important thing is about WHERE it was in the gun cupboard. It isn't usual for anyone to place something in regular use in a place where it's at it's most inaccessible, but it IS a place where someone might try to hide something.

The rifle does not fit in its case with the silencer attached. Nor does it fit in gun cupboard with the silencer attached (unless you place it in an awkward upward diagonal position that blocks the cupboard entry)

If you want to hide something you don't leave it in a place where it is usually kept. The silencer was usually kept in the gun cupboard thus that is where it was found.

[lookout]

The rifle does not fit in its case with the silencer attached. Nor does it fit in gun cupboard with the silencer attached (unless you place it in an awkward upward diagonal position that blocks the cupboard entry)

If you want to hide something you don't leave it in a place where it is usually kept. The silencer was usually kept in the gun cupboard thus that is where it was found.

That's where the silencer was alleged to have been found------------I don't believe it !!

[Adam]

The rifle does not fit in its case with the silencer attached. Nor does it fit in gun cupboard with the silencer attached (unless you place it in an awkward upward diagonal position that blocks the cupboard entry)

If you want to hide something you don't leave it in a place where it is usually kept. The silencer was usually kept in the gun cupboard thus that is where it was found.

Did Bamber say he took the silencer out of the case when he decided to shoot rabbits ?

Do you believe the police approached the relatives & asked them to pretend they found the silencer. Or the relatives approached the police with a silencer fabrication idea ?

[Jane]

The rifle does not fit in its case with the silencer attached. Nor does it fit in gun cupboard with the silencer attached (unless you place it in an awkward upward diagonal position that blocks the cupboard entry)

If you want to hide something you don't leave it in a place where it is usually kept. The silencer was usually kept in the gun cupboard thus that is where it was found.

I don't have a problem with any gun component being found in the place where gun components were normally housed. The problem I have is about WHERE, in that place, as a frequently used item, it was found. Having lived in a house in which that understair space had, before being removed to make room for a phone table, been a cupboard, I recall having to become a contortionist to reach those infrequently used things which had become 'lost' in the thinnest end of the wedge, especially as there was no internal light. It was a perfect hiding place.

[David1819]

Do you believe the police approached the relatives & asked them to pretend they found the silencer. Or the relatives approached the police with a silencer fabrication idea ?

Neither.

[Jane]

Neither.

What is your belief?

[Adam]

Neither.

Do you believe the relatives found a silencer with blood, a hair & aga paint on ?

[David1819]

Do you believe the relatives found a silencer with blood, a hair & aga paint on ?

No.

[Jane]

What is your belief?

[Adam]

No.

Do you believe the police found a silencer with human blood, the aga paint & a grey hair on. Then asked the relatives to pretend they found it ?

[David1819]

What is your belief?

Based on the evidence, it can be safely deduced that the blood was planted maliciously by someone who has both access to Sheila's blood and a vested interest in seeing Jeremy disinherited. Who that person is I do not know for sure, but it can be narrowed down to a list of five people that meet the two prerequisites I just mentioned.

[Adam]

Based on the evidence, it can be safely deduced that the blood was planted maliciously by someone who has both access to Sheila's blood and a vested interest in seeing Jeremy disinherited. Who that person is I do not know for sure, but it can be narrowed down to a list of five people that meet the two prerequisites I just mentioned.

Who are these 5 people who had access to Sheila's blood & wanted to see Bamber disinherited ?

[Jane]

Based on the evidence, it can be safely deduced that the blood was planted maliciously by someone who has both access to Sheila's blood and a vested interest in seeing Jeremy disinherited. Who that person is I do not know for sure, but it can be narrowed down to a list of five people that meet the two prerequisites I just mentioned.

OK. Whilst I won't rule out what you say, I'm supposing that -at least, initially, all police personnel can be ruled out because they were convinced it was Sheila. Which leaves the family, who, initially and until Jeremy's story started not to make sense, after which they held a family 'conference', also believed it to have been Sheila. Naturally, all of this is going to take time, during which, all the blood which had been shed, is getting drier, but having decided, between them, that Jeremy was responsible, the family must now A) decide on a course of action B) gain access to WHF C) persuade police that Jeremy is the culprit and get them on side....................and all the time, any available blood is becoming  too dry to be of use. We HAVE to rule out anything the infamous 'blood filled bucket' could produce. The blood -even if the items hadn't been pre-rinsed to get rid of excess prior to soaking- would have become too diluted to have been inserted into a silencer. There would certainly have been a finite window of time during which this -alleged pre-conceived plan- could have been acted on.

[mike tesko]

The flake of dried blood which David Boutflour scraped off the sound moderator, seems the most likliest source for a similar flake of blood found trapped between baffle plates when the ballistic expert Fletcher dismantled the sound moderator at the Lab' on the 12th September 1985 (a flake of dried blood which when analysed by the blood expert John Hayward, produced the key blood group evidence, A, EAP BA, AK1, and HP2-1, which the prosecution attributed exclusively to Sheila Caffell...

We all know that Robert Boutflour had the same blood groups as Sheila, but that the prosecution and its witnesses played down this possibility!

The evidence concerning the flake of blood which David Boutflour scraped from the silencer, only came to light when the COLP investigators interviewed him in 1991. But he told them that Essex police knew about what he had told COLP what he had done, without him sayi g what had happened to the flake of blood he had removed from the silencer! However,  if Essex police had been told about what he had done, surely they would have asked him where that flake of blood was, or what he had done with it..

The really worrying aspect of this matter, was that there is no mention of this activity of David Boutflours was made in any disclosed witness statement made to Essex Police, or made by Essex police on his behalf!

Well, this information was capable of excluding the silencer evidence, on the footing that David Boutflour tampered with the integrity of it, when he scraped blood from it!

Essex police kept silent about what David Boutflour told them what he had done!

I find this approach of Essex police in this matter to be unacceptable,  the court which tried this matter ought really to have been availed of the fact that Boutflour had tampered with blood on the silencer, entitling the defence to put forward the claim that blood group evidence attributed as having been found inside the silencer trapped between two baffle plates had in fact been originally present on the outside of the silencer. Its presence had been transferred to the inside of the sound moderator so that the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher could postulate his ' backspatter' theory!

David Boutflour needs to be arrested and questioned under caution, so that all the facts concerni g the date and time he used that razor blade to scrape the dried flake of blood from that silencer. Where he was at the time he did it? Who else was present at the time he did it? What he did with the flake after he removed it? Whether he told police and which named police officers were notofied, and whether he handed it to them !