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Offline mike tesko

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Mike. I have taken what I believe to be Stan Jones signature from ones of those lab documents regarding the shell casings.

Despite an attempt to scibble it out. You can still see and match the outer ends and top corners of the signature that was put there on the document you recently uploaded.

Can you confirm is that is DS Jones signature?

David1819,  of course, now that you have identified Stan Jones signature on the 8th September 1985 witness statement, it is no longer a composite witness statement, but a genuine statement!
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David1819,  of course, now that you have identified Stan Jones signature on the 8th September 1985 witness statement, it is no longer a composite witness statement, but a genuine statement!

OK so now what? What is the significance of this statement and why was there an attempt to scribble out the signature?

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OK so now what? What is the significance of this statement and why was there an attempt to scribble out the signature?

The significance is obvious!  ::) If you think it's genuine, why not take it to your 'in the know' people?
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I also believe that he's been like a mentor ( male version of Marjorie Proops ) to those who've poured out their trials and tribulations and has actually shown interest in the daily lives of those who write on a regular basis. He's acted as an adviser rather than a judge.
I've actually heard a lot about Jeremy this last few months and he appears an ordinary guy to me and a particularly kind one.

Are you sure you have written to him Lookout? :-\
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As the expression "composite witness statement" is bandied so frequently about, one must assume the compiling of such to be generally/universally practiced. Leading on from that, surely, if you're insisting this to be the case, it must follow that every prisoner convicted, who claims innocence, must BE innocent. Can you please tell me, are there special operatives employed to do such devious and underhand work. I'd be interested to learn how one might go about doing it ie, if you give me a handwritten piece to type, I'd naturally -unless it was totally unintelligible- reproduce it faithfully, only correcting any spelling errors. I'd also be fascinated to learn just how the deception gets passed the witness -although I appreciate that if they can't read, it would have to be read to them, making duplicity possible- who is required to read and sign it. I appreciate that care would have to be taken, when paraphrasing, to keep the original meaning of the words.


Hello Mike, I've reposted this because I feel you might have missed it. You're usually really good at responding. Please do run away with the belief that I think everything in the judicial garden is rosy. I DON'T wear rose coloured glasses -well, yes, actually, I do, but they're the frames- and I'm FULLY that there's corruption in ALL walks of life, from convicts right through to those who hand down their sentences, but I DON'T believe that  they all, miraculously, found themselves together in one place when it came to Jeremy, if only, unless they decided it might be fun do do, as an exercise in how to, there was no need to do it when they already had a culprit who couldn't argue her case. If they could frame a living person, it would have been far less trouble to frame a dead one, don't you think?

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Hello Mike, I've reposted this because I feel you might have missed it. You're usually really good at responding. Please do run away with the belief that I think everything in the judicial garden is rosy. I DON'T wear rose coloured glasses -well, yes, actually, I do, but they're the frames- and I'm FULLY that there's corruption in ALL walks of life, from convicts right through to those who hand down their sentences, but I DON'T believe that  they all, miraculously, found themselves together in one place when it came to Jeremy, if only, unless they decided it might be fun do do, as an exercise in how to, there was no need to do it when they already had a culprit who couldn't argue her case. If they could frame a living person, it would have been far less trouble to frame a dead one, don't you think?

Hi, Jane, please be reassured that I am not running away from anything, in fact I am hurtling towards the abyss of truth and in this particular matter, the fact that Jeremy Bamber could not and did not kill his sister Sheila. It would have been and is impossible for him to have done so! There is no doubt in my mind, and I believe the evidence already exists and has been made available to indicate that in fact Sheila was believed killed downstairs in the kitchen! Soon afterwards, she was believed dead on top of the bed in the main bedroom, and eventually she was dead on the bedroom floor! From start to finish, Sheila's death occurred downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs on top of the bed, and then at the death on the bedroom floor! The rifle used in part of the shooting of Sheila, had a journey of its own, a journey that anyone who wants to know the truth can find out for themselves - it was at a first floor window from around 7.15am, just as the armed raid team began to commence its approach to force their way into the farmhouse courtyard door. It was seen at that window by Julia Jeapes a trained firearms instructor at that time, and also by a PC Brown. That first floor window was almost certainly the box room  Much later, that rifle ended up on the bed in between the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell! After this the same rifle was photographed at the main bedroom window, and then after this cops photographed the same rifle in Sheila Caffells possession on the bedroom floor! These are not things I have made up or plucked out of the air, they are facts supported by the so called evidence! Then there is the bible(s), there were two in fact, not one! But just dealing with one of them, according to the evidence a bible was on Sheila Caffells chest when her body and the body of June's was laid side by side on top of the bed . This bible then ended up alongside Sheila's body once her body was lifted from the bed and plonked on the bedroom floor!

If all these facts are true, then of course Jeremy Bamber could not possibly have fired at least one of the two shots which killed his sister! I believe that evidence exists in the police file to show that Jeremy did not fire either shot inflicted to Sheila's body! He could not have had anything to do with the displacement of her body from the kitchen downstairs to it ending up on top of the bed in the main bedroom and much later to her body being laid out on the bedroom floor! Jeremy could have played no role in the materialisation of the rifle on the bed, then by the main bedroom window (23), until it eventually winds up in Sheila's possession on the bedroom floor! He could not have played any role in the movement of the bible from Sheila's chest when her body was on the bed, to it being on the floor later on next to her body..

The cops in this case, are running scared, they can't afford to disclosed the evidence from all the staff back in the control room who overheard the attack in the kitchen between one officer and Sheila, and the fact that after a shot rang out that officers at the scene inside that kitchen described Sheila as being dead, claiming that she had taken her own life! A complete list of the staff manning the operation room and or the control room at this material time, has thus far not yet even been divulged because those present know that Sheila was still alive at the time the armed officers entered the farmhouse! There was staff back in Chelmsford who also knew that Sheila survived that first shot, that her body ended up on the bed upstairs again presumed dead (all this evidence is currently being withheld under the cloak of Pii). Senior police officers all knew that even when her body had been on that bed that she was not physically dead and that she did not die until after they moved Sheila's body onto the bedroom floor from the bed! Senior officers know that she might not have died had they not set about performing 'informatives' with use of the rifle which was brought to her body by the police themselves! The second fatal shot was inflicted during the performance of those 'informatives', she wasn't shot deliberately, she got shot at that time because no-one had bothered to check to see if the rifle was safe and unloaded...

The cops killed Sheila whichever way you look at it, the body moved,the gun moved, the bible moved, on occasions when Jeremy was with other cops either in Pages Lane near to the farm cottages, or at his cottage with Jones and Clark...

Lets not forget that there were two SOC teams operating inside the farmhouse on that first morning of the investigation. Oakey and Henderson from HQ SOC, and COOK, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird from Witham SOC. The first team of SOC operating alongside senior officers during the 'informative' procedure that invariably took place between 9.00am and 10.00am (when Sheila's body was moved from its position on top of the bed, to thee bedroom floor), as opposed to the second team of SOCO who took control of the scene particularly in the main bedroom, after 10.00 am when the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila had been set on the bedroom floor either side of the bed!

Essex police have not told the truth regarding what actually took place!

They were happy to go along with the four murders and a suicide scenario because it served a purpose of concealing the involvement of police in Sheila Caffells death. The cops fed false information to the relatives at the beginning of the investigation. But they didn't bargain for the attitude of the relatives, who found out that Sheila's and Junes bodies had been moved by the police and her death scene staged by them! The relatives knew that the police had been able to proceed on the basis that what they were dealing with was a case of four murders and a suicide, because they had staged Sheila's body as though she could have killed herself on the bedroom floor after she had shot and killed the others!

It was this knowledge in the minds and hearts of relatives which forced ACC Simpson to start a fresh investigation from 6th September 1985, into the tragedy, and reluctantly making Jeremy the chief Suspect...
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 09:22:AM by mike tesko »
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He doesn’t even refer to his nickname “Taff” in his handwritten notes as well, it’s DCI Jones, or D/I Miller etc it shows a lack of respect.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4596.0;attach=33731;image

You have got the wrong end of the stick, I believe that the Stan Jones composite witness statement, dated, 8th September 1985, was never intended for disclosure as part of the fresh investigation (SC/786/85), I believe that it was created by someone who wanted to make it appear that Essex police had returned the sound moderator (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) to the family during the duration of the first operation (SC/688/85), so that Ann Eaton could hand 'it' back to DC Oakey on the 11th September 1985! The problem for Essex police was that there still existed police records and Lab' documentation which showed that 'it' had been examined by Glynis Howard on the 13th August 1985, and that Essex police has resubmitted 'it' back to the Lab' on the 30th August 1975, and that by 8th September, that item was still at the lab', and further, that by the 12th September the ballistic expert had dismantled 'it' at the Lab' and discovered a flake of blood trapped between two of its baffle plates! But, the silencer / sound moderator / suppressor handed to DC Oakey by Ann Eaton on the 11th September, was being retained by Essex police, and 'it' remained in their possession until the 20th September 1985, and only then did Essex police submit 'that' item  (DRB/1) to the lab' on that date, requesting that it be checked for blood and fibers!

This is a typical example thus proving that Essex police, the relatives, and those at the lab' fabricated the blood group evidence which they wrongly attributed to a second sound moderator (DRB/1) which was introduced so that Jeremy Bamber could be prosecuted as the killer! The blood group evidence (A, EAP BA, AK1, and HP 2-1) could not possibly have been obtained from inside the second silencer / sound moderator /suppressor, it would have been impossible for that to be true!

We therefore, have a group of police officers, relatives and lab' experts who have all conspired to pervert the course of justice, forged official documentation, and deceived the court which tried and convicted Bamber as the killer!

Somebody will have to pay dearly for this level of dishonesty and corruption...

No guessing who those individual people might be!!!
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You have got the wrong end of the stick, I believe that the Stan Jones composite witness statement, dated, 8th September 1985, was never intended for disclosure as part of the fresh investigation (SC/786/85), I believe that it was created by someone who wanted to make it appear that Essex police had returned the sound moderator (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) to the family during the duration of the first operation (SC/688/85), so that Ann Eaton could hand 'it' back to DC Oakey on the 11th September 1985! The problem for Essex police was that there still existed police records and Lab' documentation which showed that 'it' had been examined by Glynis Howard on the 13th August 1985, and that Essex police has resubmitted 'it' back to the Lab' on the 30th August 1975, and that by 8th September, that item was still at the lab', and further, that by the 12th September the ballistic expert had dismantled 'it' at the Lab' and discovered a flake of blood trapped between two of its baffle plates! But, the silencer / sound moderator / suppressor handed to DC Oakey by Ann Eaton on the 11th September, was being retained by Essex police, and 'it' remained in their possession until the 20th September 1985, and only then did Essex police submit 'that' item  (DRB/1) to the lab' on that date, requesting that it be checked for blood and fibers!

This is a typical example thus proving that Essex police, the relatives, and those at the lab' fabricated the blood group evidence which they wrongly attributed to a second sound moderator (DRB/1) which was introduced so that Jeremy Bamber could be prosecuted as the killer! The blood group evidence (A, EAP BA, AK1, and HP 2-1) could not possibly have been obtained from inside the second silencer / sound moderator /suppressor, it would have been impossible for that to be true!

We therefore, have a group of police officers, relatives and lab' experts who have all conspired to pervert the course of justice, forged official documentation, and deceived the court which tried and convicted Bamber as the killer!

Somebody will have to pay dearly for this level of dishonesty and corruption...

No guessing who those individual people might be!!!

Oh totally agree that that was the impression that the 'aforementioned' statement was supposedto give - a 'covert' attempt - but an unsuccessful one.
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He doesn’t even refer to his nickname “Taff” in his handwritten notes as well, it’s DCI Jones, or D/I Miller etc it shows a lack of respect.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4596.0;attach=33731;image

Thanks to someone's half-arsed attempt to scribble it out. The guys signature can be seen on the paper.

Yet the guilter gang still try to find excuses.



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Thanks to someone's half-arsed attempt to scribble it out. The guys signature can be seen on the paper.

Yet the guilter gang still try to find excuses.

Ha, ha! David thinks it genuine - what a plonker!  ::)
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Mike, has & does put up good documents for discussion. The Bret Collins one was interesting.

It is very frustrating for both supporters & guilters when David, Roch, Bill & JackieD say they have new information but won't post it. The CT are all over Youtube & the internet with new information, so not sure why there is holding back.
 
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Oh totally agree that that was the impression that the 'aforementioned' statement was supposedto give - a 'covert' attempt - but an unsuccessful one.

Because, they 'had returned it to the family'...

Cops supposedly find five dead bodies, with all of them having been shot multiple times but there is no blood on the end of the guns barrel! None on the outside, none on the inside, so we are expected to believe that different gangs of elite coppers and SOC didn't think to look for something which might have been on the end of its barrel?

Of course they would have, and of course they did!

That's why police documents confim that Stan Jones seized four exhibits from the scene that first morning one being the silencer SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1..
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Because, they 'had returned it to the family'...

Cops supposedly find five dead bodies, with all of them having been shot multiple times but there is no blood on the end of the guns barrel! None on the outside, none on the inside, so we are expected to believe that different gangs of elite coppers and SOC didn't think to look for something which might have been on the end of its barrel?

Of course they would have, and of course they did!

That's why police documents confim that Stan Jones seized four exhibits from the scene that first morning one being the silencer SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1..

As it never dawned on anybody, why Stan Jones never made a witness statement concerning why he returne to whf after attending Jeremy's cottage, and why he makes no mention collectively of the four items which he takes possession of (SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2, and SBJ/1?

He seized these items, from the kitchen and the downstairs toilet!
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Anthony Pargeter told COLP investigators that David Boutflour told him that the police had given it back on the family...
« Last Edit: December 08, 2017, 06:07:AM by mike tesko »
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Another who Can’t see the Wood for Trees  ;D. It would be nice to see what Essex police and the family think of the Aforementioned fake/forged document of a police officer.

Yes it would and it would be nice of them to admit the truth about Stan Jones seizing the sound moderator from the scene on the first morning, and it being put back at the farmhouse by a police officer the night before David Boutflour recovered it, again! It would also be nice hear from Essex police how Ann Eaton was still in possession of a sound Moderator until 11th September1985, which the police retained until the 20th September, when they sent it to the Lab' to be checked for blood and fibers! Whilst their at it, perhaps they could seize the lab' records which relate to the examination of that sound moderator either on, or after that date! Maybe also the police will give an explanation as to how key blood group evidence coud have been found inside a sound moderator that was dismantled at the lab' on 12th September, when the sound moderaor it is said for that blood to have been in, did not arrive at the lab'until eight days afterwards! It will be nice to hear from the relatives concerning the handover of the sound moderator by Peter Eaton to DS Jones on 12th August 1985, and the subsequent handover of a sound moderator, by Ann Eaton to DC Oakey on the 11th September 1985, if as the case was / is that there was only the one sound moderator! It will also be nice to hear from the police the identity of all the nameless, faceless police officers who created all those fake composite witness statements of named police officers, and prosecution witnesses, so yes, I'd like to get the facts from the horses mouths, so to speak! Maybe whilst we're in the mood concerning transparency maybe the police could disclose all the documents under their control which confirms the true circumstances of Sheila Caffells death which only occurred once armed police officers fced their way into the farmhouse! So, yeah, let's get the truth out there, go for it!!
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