Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[Jane]

How could anyone expect to get away with shooting dead five members of his own family and then try to pin what he was responsible for, on his deranged sister, with his relatives on the war path looking for somebody to blame so that they could keep all the estate booty all to themselves?

The relatives weren't on the war path until AFTER he'd shot the family. It was a bit late then to reverse it.

[mike tesko]

Wouldn't somebody like Jeremy have known that with his gun ho relatives at hand there would be no easy ride to a small fortune without a fight away from the farmhouse?

How did Jeremy expect to be able to prove the order with which he had killed everybody if he be the murderer? Since, if it  were possible for the police to establish an order with which the five victims had died, his parents estates might not have necessarily been available solely to him, or  at all? One would imagine that if one was contemplating killing all of your family intent on getting your hands on the booty, you might have to kill everyone in such a way that it becomes obvious to every cat and his dog, or every cop and his pig, that the victims had died in a particular order! Well, there was no evidence that any thought had gone into any of this had Jeremy been the killer, or he be the killer! Seems like these shootings were random and spontaneous in execution, the work of a frenzied and deranged person, someone who had lost their mind to the devil, and cared little for the consequences, had no incentive to become rich as a result of committing such heinous crimes, someone who was not frightened to die...

[mike tesko]

Wouldn't somebody like Jeremy have known that with his gun ho relatives at hand there would be no easy ride to a small fortune without a fight away from the farmhouse?

How did Jeremy expect to be able to prove the order with which he had killed everybody if he be the murderer? Since, if it  were possible for the police to establish an order with which the five victims had died, his parents estates might not have necessarily been available solely to him, or  at all? One would imagine that if one was contemplating killing all of your family intent on getting your hands on the booty, you might have to kill everyone in such a way that it becomes obvious to every cat and his dog, or every cop and his pig, that the victims had died in a particular order! Well, there was no evidence that any thought had gone into any of this had Jeremy been the killer, or he be the killer! Seems like these shootings were random and spontaneous in execution, the work of a frenzied and deranged person, someone who had lost their mind to the devil, and cared little for the consequences, had no incentive to become rich as a result of committing such heinous crimes, someone who was not frightened to die...

Jeremy Bamber was not this deranged killer...

[lookout]

Jeremy Bamber was not this deranged killer...

I agree Mike.

[Jane]

Jeremy Bamber was not this deranged killer...

No one has said he WAS deranged. On the contrary, He was calculating and cold in the way he went about it.

[mike tesko]

It would not surprise me to find out eventually, that the relatives found out that 'Stan' Jones had seized the very same silencer / sound moderator / suppressor (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) from the scene on the first day of the police investigation, and that he had returned it back to the farmhouse at the time both he and 'Taff' Jones attended whf to hand the keys to the premises over and give Ann Eaton a walking tour of duty through the various parts of the farmhouse where things had happened! Maybe, just maybe, this was part of what Robert Boutflour went to see Peter Simpson about at police Headquarters on the 6th September 1985...

Cops had the silencer / sound moderator / suppressor (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) at the start but they put it back at the farmhouse in time for David Boutflour to find it again on the following day (10th August 1985) and give it back to the police, with the police having acted as though they hadn't known about it?

Well, they did know about 'it' (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1), and on the afternoon of the 9th August 1985, both DS Jones and DCI Jones questioned Jeremy about the possible use and whereabouts the silencer had been when he had used the gun intending to shoot at rabbits near the barns on the eve' of the tragedy...

[ngb1066]

I do not believe DS Stan Jones would have referred to DCI Jones by his nickname "Taff" in a witness statement.

[mike tesko]

No one has said he WAS deranged. On the contrary, He was calculating and cold in the way he went about it.

I would say that whoever shot and killed the parents did so in a deranged manner, spontaneous violence, that these two deaths were not carried out in a cold caalculating manner at all. The person with the loaded gun was literally going berserk when that person shot seven bullets into June Bambers body, and as many as eight bullets into Neville Bambers body. Both parents were covered in blood, their deaths were not quick and clinical, they died an agonisingly horrible death as a result of being attacked in a frenzied manner, in my opinion...

In the case of the two young children, whoever shot and killed them appears to have gone out of their way to make sure they felt nothing, and knew nothing...

The killer whoever that person was adopted a different approach when shooting and killing the children, than was adopted when the parents were shot and killed! I do not believe that a psychopath could differentiate such an approach when killing multiple victims, in one session! I should imagine its all out rage and destructive violence being directed at everything and everyone, man, woman, or child...

Something is nagging at me, its as though whoever shot and killed the two little children, did so with a degree of fondness and love in their heart, the shooter did not want the little ones to suffer, as compared to the hatred exercised when the shooter turned the gun on the parents...

That person was Sheila Caffell, not Jeremy Bamber, I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind about that...

Sheila did not kill herself, as the prosecutions case alleged, she was killed, indeed, shot and killed on two separate occasions by a third party!

[lookout]

No one has said he WAS deranged. On the contrary, He was calculating and cold in the way he went about it.

Cold and calculating isn't something that JB has shown in 32 years. On the contrary,he's assisted in the writing of Braille to enable the blind to read and has also taught English and the English language to those unfortunates who were illiterate.
Not the sort of human kindness you'd find in one who was a cold,calculating murderer.

[Jane]

I would say that whoever shot and killed the parents did so in a deranged manner, spontaneous violence, that these two deaths were not carried out in a cold caalculating manner at all. The person with the loaded gun was literally going berserk when that person shot seven bullets into June Bambers body, and as many as eight bullets into Neville Bambers body. Both parents were covered in blood, their deaths were not quick and clinical, they died an agonisingly horrible death as a result of being attacked in a frenzied manner, in my opinion...

In the case of the two young children, whoever shot and killed them appears to have gone out of their way to make sure they felt nothing, and knew nothing...

The killer whoever that person was adopted a different approach when shooting and killing the children, than was adopted when the parents were shot and killed! I do not believe that a psychopath could differentiate such an approach when killing multiple victims, in one session! I should imagine its all out rage and destructive violence being directed at everything and everyone, man, woman, or child...

Something is nagging at me, its as though whoever shot and killed the two little children, did so with a degree of fondness and love in their heart, the shooter did not want the little ones to suffer, as compared to the hatred exercised when the shooter turned the gun on the parents...

That person was Sheila Caffell, not Jeremy Bamber, I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind about that...

Sheila did not kill herself, as the prosecutions case alleged, she was killed, indeed, shot and killed on two separate occasions by a third party!

I'll concur that he was angry. I can empathize with that anger. We know what they looked like in death -I'm certain Dr Craig was experienced enough to realize that June didn't lose all that blood from a single bullet. They say revenge is a dish best taken cold. Jeremy seemed to have enjoyed his chilled. He didn't take care to ensure the children felt/knew nothing. They were asleep. He was hardly going to waken them. We're told that neither stirred. Sheila, had she loved them enough to kill them, would have chosen to die with them. A thought which wouldn't have crossed Jeremy's mind.

[lookout]

I also believe that he's been like a mentor ( male version of Marjorie Proops ) to those who've poured out their trials and tribulations and has actually shown interest in the daily lives of those who write on a regular basis. He's acted as an adviser rather than a judge.
I've actually heard a lot about Jeremy this last few months and he appears an ordinary guy to me and a particularly kind one.

[Jane]

Cold and calculating isn't something that JB has shown in 32 years. On the contrary,he's assisted in the writing of Braille to enable the blind to read and has also taught English and the English language to those unfortunates who were illiterate.
Not the sort of human kindness you'd find in one who was a cold,calculating murderer.

Lookout, yet again you're not differentiating between what he feels and what he does. It's the easiest thing in the world to disguise one's feelings. Jeremy has had plenty of practice over the years. All you've done is show that he doesn't do anything terribly physical or arduous and he prefers not to get his hands dirty.

[Jane]

Lookout, yet again you're not differentiating between what he feels and what he does. It's the easiest thing in the world to disguise one's feelings. Jeremy has had plenty of practice over the years. All you've done is show that he doesn't do anything terribly physical or arduous and he prefers not to get his hands dirty.

I believe there's a saying which says that wherever we are we're no more than ten feet away from a rat. It could well apply to our closeness to a psychopath.

[mike tesko]

Here is a copy of DS 'Stan' Jones worksheet, confirming that he was on duty on the 8th September 1985, at Witham police station and the Incident Office between 08.00hrs and 22.00hrs, having worked a 14 hour shift and claiming £3.50 in subs, etc...

[Jane]

I do not believe DS Stan Jones would have referred to DCI Jones by his nickname "Taff" in a witness statement.

IF he had, he certainly wouldn't have referred to him thus- 'Taff'.... or "Taff".