Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[Caroline]

It's not Arial Black or Aharoni. A much clearer image would be needed to identify it.

I have asked for a clearer image but if it's not clear enough to identify, you can't rule out those previously mentioned.

It seems as though the subject has changed?

[Jane]

I have asked for a clearer image but if it's not clear enough to identify, you can't rule out those previously mentioned.

It seems as though the subject has changed?

Yes, we seem to have come rather a long way from the " disturbing composite witness statement" which allegedly proves that "no one concealed the gun in the gun cupboard after Sheila died........" but was allegedly "a red herrin' designed to help convict Jeremy...................."

[mike tesko]

Mike, can you post a close up of the font used in the statement. The letters are too blurry to make out what kind of font it is. I'm sure you would like to know if it;s genuine or fake?

[mike tesko]

The existence of these two differently designed Parker Hales at the heart of the police investigation, have the potential to open up a can of worms! Since, on the footing that blood was found inside a 17 baffle Parker Hale, and red paint ingrained into the other and it only had 14 baffle plates, the finger of suspicion must surely focus away from Jeremy Bamber as the killer, and bring another person into the fray - it would be dependant upon who owns the other Parker Hale?

This composite witness statement, dated, 8th September 1985, made in 'Stan' Jones name, has got something with the way cops tried to get rid of a second silencer / sound moderator / suppressor they had in their possession! Either that, or they were using 'Stan' Jones to pave the way for a switch of one silencer / sound moderator / suppressor, for another soon afterwards, in the knowledge that the one they were trying to get rid of through the introduction of this composite witness statement made in 'Stan' Jones name, was currently as of the date it was created (8th September 1985) lodged with the Lab' at Huntingdon, where it (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) had been since the 30th August 1985!

[David1819]

The statement isn't genuine Mike for one reason of fact, in 1985 the statements were typed and typewriters used 'courier' font. The font on the statement you posted isn't courier - it looks more like Ariel Black or Aharoni (which isn't available on the forum to post a sample).

Stanley Brian JONES (Courier)
Stanley Brian JONES (Arial Black)

Sample of Aharoni below.

So is this statement by Vanezis fake also?

[mike tesko]

This composite witness statement, dated, 8th September 1985, made in 'Stan' Jones name, has got something with the way cops tried to get rid of a second silencer / sound moderator / suppressor they had in their possession! Either that, or they were using 'Stan' Jones to pave the way for a switch of one silencer / sound moderator / suppressor, for another soon afterwards, in the knowledge that the one they were trying to get rid of through the introduction of this composite witness statement made in 'Stan' Jones name, was currently as of the date it was created (8th September 1985) lodged with the Lab' at Huntingdon, where it (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) had been since the 30th August 1985!

Perhaps the cops introduced this composite witness statement because they knew that the relatives had got a second silencer / sound moderator/ suppressor (DRB/1) they were going to be handing over to police, which in fact came to fruition on the 11th September 1985, when Ann Eaton gave DC Oakey that second one (DRB/1)?

[mike tesko]

Perhaps the cops introduced this composite witness statement because they knew that the relatives had got a second silencer / sound moderator/ suppressor (DRB/1) they were going to be handing over to police, which in fact came to fruition on the 11th September 1985, when Ann Eaton gave DC Oakey that second one (DRB/1)?

We only found out about the find of the silencer / sound moderator / suppressor (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) because material from the original investigation (SC/688/85) was released to Jeremy by mistake. Perhaps whoever created the composite witness statement never anticipated that anyone would ever get to know about what had been going on involving the first silencer, how cops took possession of it, gave it back, and were handed it back and not really knowing what to do with it once they got it back because the cops were content to keep dealing with the case on the footing that what they had been dealing with was four murders and a suicide?

Some bright spark must have thought that by introducing the contents of the Jones Composite witness statement in question, that it would serve the purpose and allow for the introduction of a second silencer / sound moderator / suppressor (DRB/1) that cops anticipated they might be receiving from the relatives sooner, rather than later...

The only problem with the way cops and relatives went about trying to carry off the deception was that the lab' ended up with two Parker Hales which the relatives had handed to police a month or so apart - somebody dropped a huge clanger, since between the cops and the lab' as of the 11th September 1985, there existed two silencers / sound moderators / suppressors (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1), and only one proposed murder weapon, the .22 semi-automatic Anshuzt rifle owned by Neville Bamber which was not capable of having two Parker Hales attached to the end of its barrel at one and the same time...

[mike tesko]

So is this statement by Vanezis fake also?

is this one, also?

Please note, that this statement is not an obvious composite one because PC Birds signature appears on it!

[mike tesko]

We only found out about the find of the silencer / sound moderator / suppressor (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) because material from the original investigation (SC/688/85) was released to Jeremy by mistake. Perhaps whoever created the composite witness statement never anticipated that anyone would ever get to know about what had been going on involving the first silencer, how cops took possession of it, gave it back, and were handed it back and not really knowing what to do with it once they got it back because the cops were content to keep dealing with the case on the footing that what they had been dealing with was four murders and a suicide?

Some bright spark must have thought that by introducing the contents of the Jones Composite witness statement in question, that it would serve the purpose and allow for the introduction of a second silencer / sound moderator / suppressor (DRB/1) that cops anticipated they might be receiving from the relatives sooner, rather than later...

The only problem with the way cops and relatives went about trying to carry off the deception was that the lab' ended up with two Parker Hales which the relatives had handed to police a month or so apart - somebody dropped a huge clanger, since between the cops and the lab' as of the 11th September 1985, there existed two silencers / sound moderators / suppressors (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1), and only one proposed murder weapon, the .22 semi-automatic Anshuzt rifle owned by Neville Bamber which was not capable of having two Parker Hales attached to the end of its barrel at one and the same time...

I have long since been of the opinion that there had been two loaded weapons used in the shootings and now that there is confirmation that cops had two silencers / sound moderators / suppressors (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1) at their disposal to help them with their investigations into these deaths, it looks suspiciously like two different weapons had been used to fire almost all (but one) the bullets that wounded, maimed and killed victims. What if it turns out, that one of these two silencers / sound moderators / suppressors belonged to the Eatons or the Boutflours? Now, that would be a turn up for the books!!

This cannot easily be dismissed because of the determination of the relatives to get their hands on Neville and June Bambers estates, and besides, Peter Eaton is a registered firearms dealer who knows a lot about guns, accessories and ammunitions...

[David1819]

is this one, also?

Please note, that this statement is not an obvious composite one because PC Birds signature appears on it!

And this two? Signature also! 

[mike tesko]

I have long since been of the opinion that there had been two loaded weapons used in the shootings and now that there is confirmation that cops had two silencers / sound moderators / suppressors (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1) at their disposal to help them with their investigations into these deaths, it looks suspiciously like two different weapons had been used to fire almost all (but one) the bullets that wounded, maimed and killed victims. What if it turns out, that one of these two silencers / sound moderators / suppressors belonged to the Eatons or the Boutflours? Now, that would be a turn up for the books!!

This cannot easily be dismissed because of the determination of the relatives to get their hands on Neville and June Bambers estates, and besides, Peter Eaton is a registered firearms dealer who knows a lot about guns, accessories and ammunitions...

In fact, has anyone ever given it the time of day to wonder how somebody like Jeremy Bamber being prepared to shoot dead three generations of his own immediate family and expecting to get away with trying to pin the blame on his deranged sister, when all of his relatives were shooting enthusiasts, expert marksmen, and even a registered firearms dealer? Wouldn't it have dawned on Jeremy's mind that his relatives were no ordinary mugs when it came to firearms, how to handle and load ammunition into them, how to fire them, and use accessories with the guns, clean and maintain them?

[mike tesko]

In fact, has anyone ever given it the time of day to wonder how somebody like Jeremy Bamber being prepared to shoot dead three generations of his own immediate family and expecting to get away with trying to pin the blame on his deranged sister, when all of his relatives were shooting enthusiasts, expert marksmen, and even a registered firearms dealer? Wouldn't it have dawned on Jeremy's mind that his relatives were no ordinary mugs when it came to firearms, how to handle and load ammunition into them, how to fire them, and use accessories with the guns, clean and maintain them?

Wouldn't his relatives apparent expertise in firearm and shooting matters not have unhinged him?

[mike tesko]

Wouldn't his relatives apparent expertise in firearm and shooting matters not have unhinged him?

How could anyone expect to get away with shooting dead five members of his own family and then try to pin what he was responsible for, on his deranged sister, with his relatives on the war path looking for somebody to blame so that they could keep all the estate booty all to themselves?

[Jane]

In fact, has anyone ever given it the time of day to wonder how somebody like Jeremy Bamber being prepared to shoot dead three generations of his own immediate family and expecting to get away with trying to pin the blame on his deranged sister, when all of his relatives were shooting enthusiasts, expert marksmen, and even a registered firearms dealer? Wouldn't it have dawned on Jeremy's mind that his relatives were no ordinary mugs when it came to firearms, how to handle and load ammunition into them, how to fire them, and use accessories with the guns, clean and maintain them?

Well, first and foremost, has any crime EVER been committed where the perp believes they'll get caught? I don't think Jeremy gave a thought to what the relatives might do. All he thought was required of him was to satisfy the police, and this he did.................until the unexpected happened -it's called the law of unintended consequences- and the relatives realized that Sheila wasn't the competent shot Jeremy claimed her to have been.

[Jane]

Wouldn't his relatives apparent expertise in firearm and shooting matters not have unhinged him?

Why? He probably thought he was more clever than they.