Urgent need to get rifling voids of rifle barrel checked for blood and DNA...

[lookout]

I think he collapsed in a chair first, moments from death, then further rifle shots ensued. Jeremy's prodding with the rifle might have tipped him over into the bucket, or did he place his father there as symbol of the New Order, reluctant to view his handiwork, the human carnage unsettling his exultant mood, just as he vowed never to gaze upon June's face again after the final shot between the forehead.

Why the need for prodding or bothering to place anyone in certain positions when time was of the essence before the shift of the day arrived for harvesting,etc ? I JB hadn't cared about killing why would he care if they were " comfortable " in their state of death ?

[Steve_uk]

Why the need for prodding or bothering to place anyone in certain positions when time was of the essence before the shift of the day arrived for harvesting,etc ? I JB hadn't cared about killing why would he care if they were " comfortable " in their state of death ?

I'm wondering how many times in his childhood Nevill had relegated his son to the meanest chares, carrying the bucket to feed the herd, to wash to farm vehicles, to clean the windows, then the Gresham's years where Jeremy increasingly found the confidence to say no, then with Aunt Diana's death and later June and Sheila's illnesses all the stuffing seemed to be knocked out of Nevill, with Jeremy there as the one constant, determined to replace him.

[Caroline]

Why the need for prodding or bothering to place anyone in certain positions when time was of the essence before the shift of the day arrived for harvesting,etc ? I JB hadn't cared about killing why would he care if they were " comfortable " in their state of death ?

3am? That's hours before the start of any shift. If he arranged the bodies, "comfort" had nothing to do with it!

[lookout]

I'm wondering how many times in his childhood Nevill had relegated his son to the meanest chares, carrying the bucket to feed the herd, to wash to farm vehicles, to clean the windows, then the Gresham's years where Jeremy increasingly found the confidence to say no, then with Aunt Diana's death and later June and Sheila's illnesses all the stuffing seemed to be knocked out of Nevill, with Jeremy there as the one constant, determined to replace him.

But some say that JB was in no hurry to fill his father's shoes on account of his lack of interest in the farm ? Playboy and farmer doesn't gel somehow.

[Caroline]

But some say that JB was in no hurry to fill his father's shoes on account of his lack of interest in the farm ? Playboy and farmer doesn't gel somehow.

How much interest did he take in the farm after the death of his family?

[Jane]

But some say that JB was in no hurry to fill his father's shoes on account of his lack of interest in the farm ? Playboy and farmer doesn't gel somehow.

But Steve suggested that it was during his childhood that Jeremy may have had these thoughts. People have been known to change their minds about the thoughts they had as children, as shown by the lack of time and effort he put into farming as an adult.

[Caroline]

But Steve suggested that it was during his childhood that Jeremy may have had these thoughts. People have been known to change their minds about the thoughts they had as children, as shown by the lack of time and effort he put into farming as an adult.

He liked sitting in the tractor!

[lookout]

3am? That's hours before the start of any shift. If he arranged the bodies, "comfort" had nothing to do with it!

I thought it was a 4am start when harvesting was under way ?

As for comfort,I'd doubt very much that's how/where the three adults died.

[Steve_uk]

But some say that JB was in no hurry to fill his father's shoes on account of his lack of interest in the farm ? Playboy and farmer doesn't gel somehow.

But they do because Jeremy told cousin Ann that he rather fancied being a gentleman farmer. It was in his flibbertigibbet Walter Mitty mind that he didn't know what he wanted, even a few hours before the deed when he equivocated to Julie, then post-murders sank into a deep depression when the novelty of the trappings of wealth had worn off, he hankered after turning back the clock to a more secure time, when little was demanded of him, hence his request to Pamela to keep the milk teeth as souvenirs and his rumination about absconding to some far-flung monastery with Roland Pargeter.

[Steve_uk]

But Steve suggested that it was during his childhood that Jeremy may have had these thoughts. People have been known to change their minds about the thoughts they had as children, as shown by the lack of time and effort he put into farming as an adult.

Nevill would keep his cards close to his chest, and June was ill, unsettling the teenage boy in that close, rural backdrop, then Sheila's illness followed. Encased in a vacuum which fitted like a shroud, his only meaningful existence now without the confines of the Farm, and turning to central nervous system stimulants to get him though the daily grind, he slowly came to understand the parental signs and gestures, their concealed disappointment and the reason he had been placed there, then bent on overcoming his parents' wishes and determined to overturn their whole justification by an annulment of the will at whatever cost.

[lookout]

But they do because Jeremy told cousin Ann that he rather fancied being a gentleman farmer. It was in his flibbertigibbet Walter Mitty mind that he didn't know what he wanted, even a few hours before the deed when he equivocated to Julie, then post-murders sank into a deep depression when the novelty of the trappings of wealth had worn off, he hankered after turning back the clock to a more secure time, when little was demanded of him, hence his request to Pamela to keep the milk teeth as souvenirs and his rumination about absconding to some far-flung monastery with Roland Pargeter.

Somehow I can't picture JB as a Walter Mitty character,more a Walter Disney or even a Walter out of the Nearest and Dearest sketch whose wife " carried him around " and organised him such as JM did.

If JB had been the absconding type he'd have used his opportunity to do so when he skipped off abroad.

[Jane]

He liked sitting in the tractor!

Well he couldn't be asked to do owt else when he'd got his headphones on, could he?

[Jane]

Somehow I can't picture JB as a Walter Mitty character,more a Walter Disney or even a Walter out of the Nearest and Dearest sketch whose wife " carried him around " and organised him such as JM did.

If JB had been the absconding type he'd have used his opportunity to do so when he skipped off abroad.

It would have suited him down to the ground..................except the Bank of Parents refused more cash.

[Steve_uk]

Somehow I can't picture JB as a Walter Mitty character,more a Walter Disney or even a Walter out of the Nearest and Dearest sketch whose wife " carried him around " and organised him such as JM did.

If JB had been the absconding type he'd have used his opportunity to do so when he skipped off abroad.

But his parents controlled the purse strings, and the restrictions proved ever tighter as he was offered not more largesse but a flight home. Despondent that he had not forged any meaningful relationships on his travels and dejected that he had been labelled as unfit to take a diving course he turned to Brett for solace, who flattered his damaged ego at every turn. The stage was now set for the ultimate tragedy as Jeremy ransacked the safe at Osea Road, and cognizant that he would have to keep up the pretence he began to work longer hours at the Farm.

[Jane]

But they do because Jeremy told cousin Ann that he rather fancied being a gentleman farmer. It was in his flibbertigibbet Walter Mitty mind that he didn't know what he wanted, even a few hours before the deed when he equivocated to Julie, then post-murders sank into a deep depression when the novelty of the trappings of wealth had worn off, he hankered after turning back the clock to a more secure time, when little was demanded of him, hence his request to Pamela to keep the milk teeth as souvenirs and his rumination about absconding to some far-flung monastery with Roland Pargeter.

Steve, I rather imagine that to have been a tongue in cheek remark. Notice how the emphasis was on "gentleman". No mention of hands-on. I really don't believe he ever had any intentions of farming.