did nevile phone the police station from the office phone.

[lookout]

Rigor/Livor mortis can occur within two hours of death of someone who'd been active before death.

[Caroline]

erm how can he stage lack of rigour mortis.

Who said there was a lack of rigor mortis compared with other victims?

[Caroline]

Rigor/Livor mortis can occur within two hours of death of someone who'd been active before death.

It is subjective - not all bodies develope livor/rigor mortis at the same time. There are lots of factors involved BUT Sheila does show signs of livor mortis. 

[lookout]

It is subjective - not all bodies develope livor/rigor mortis at the same time. There are lots of factors involved BUT Sheila does show signs of livor mortis.

Debateable. Because the signs were there,it's not to say that she hadn't died just 2 hours before being first seen. Subjective ? Certainly. Though my guess and belief is that Sheila had indeed been very active prior to death.

[Jane]

Whilst I remain confident that our judicial system is probably the best there is, I'm becoming more and more convinced that it only takes a clever defence barrister, to sow enough seeds of doubt into the minds of the jury, for guilty defendants to walk free. It's of no moment HOW much doubt is put in peoples' minds. It will never make a guilty person an innocent one.

[guest7363]

Whilst I remain confident that our judicial system is probably the best there is, I'm becoming more and more convinced that it only takes a clever defence barrister, to sow enough seeds of doubt into the minds of the jury, for guilty defendants to walk free. It's of no moment HOW much doubt is put in peoples' minds. It will never make a guilty person an innocent one.

Quite true Jane, take that Arthur Collins, he was caught on camera throwing acid in a night club, his defence was he didn’t know what was in the bottle/jar, he’s even been shown telling his mum in a text to watch that acid, he said he thought it was date rape drug, he injured 22 people, he got convicted on a 10/2 majority, how the hell two jurors thought he hadn’t intended to do it is a mystery, one more and he would have got off.  He had a good defence and he was good looking, I bet he will be another one appealing his prison sentence and costing us tax payers.  This is where our money is wasted on pricks like him, throw the key away and make him eat shit.

[nugnug]

Whilst I remain confident that our judicial system is probably the best there is, I'm becoming more and more convinced that it only takes a clever defence barrister, to sow enough seeds of doubt into the minds of the jury, for guilty defendants to walk free. It's of no moment HOW much doubt is put in peoples' minds. It will never make a guilty person an innocent one.

can you name any examples of that actually happening.

[guest7363]

can you name any examples of that actually happening.

Try OJ

[Jane]

can you name any examples of that actually happening.

I have no need. It's a given that those who have engaging personalities, who are good with words and have a sense of conviction, can sell. It's happening every day, in every walk of life, and probably in any situation you care to name.

[lookout]

Whilst I remain confident that our judicial system is probably the best there is, I'm becoming more and more convinced that it only takes a clever defence barrister, to sow enough seeds of doubt into the minds of the jury, for guilty defendants to walk free. It's of no moment HOW much doubt is put in peoples' minds. It will never make a guilty person an innocent one.

Except that there seems to be too many innocents facing guilty verdicts in this day and age judging by the backlog of work being done by the CCRC.

[lookout]

I have no need. It's a given that those who have engaging personalities, who are good with words and have a sense of conviction, can sell. It's happening every day, in every walk of life, and probably in any situation you care to name.

"Engaging personalities " ? All criminals ?

[nugnug]

I have no need. It's a given that those who have engaging personalities, who are good with words and have a sense of conviction, can sell. It's happening every day, in every walk of life, and probably in any situation you care to name.

can you provide any example of a guilty man walking free from court after a smooth talking lawyer got him off.

because hundreds of examples of the reverse happening.

[David1819]

Try OJ

That happened in America.

[nugnug]

Try OJ

one what that happened and 2 it only happened because a policeman took the fith when being asked weather he had planted evidence.

its hardly unreasonable for a jury to think a policeman planted evidence if he wont even deny doing it.

[lookout]

Yes,this is 2017 and it still happens !!