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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #210 on: June 08, 2011, 03:23:PM »
Jackie you know why they said they took it home. They said they found it at the weekend when a certain officer wasn't on duty, so they took it home to hand to the police on the Monday.

I'm not sure I'd do the same, well I'm pretty sure I wouldn't, although I don't think I'd want to leave it where it was either, not without it being guarded to stop it being removed by somebody else, but that's their version of events, it's up to you what you want to make of it.

Indeed, and I think it's worth remembering that this was the 1980s and these were older people. They would not have been as savvy with SOCO and all the other crime and forensic stuff that we get bombarded with on TV police dramas these days. They may not have realised that removing something from a crime scene (and it was no longer a crime scene presumably) was not the best thing to do if you suspected it might be significant. Just a thought.


So, you find buckets of blood stained clothing Which the police have missed at the site of a masacre.

The clothing belongs to the person believed to have been the killer.

You recognise that this may be significant evidence, sufficiently significant for you to be worried that someone else may remove and destroy it (Hartley).

So you keep this important evidence secure by taking it home, washing and disposing of it...???

Is that what you're saying?

Who said the police missed it?

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #211 on: June 08, 2011, 03:23:PM »
Jackie you know why they said they took it home. They said they found it at the weekend when a certain officer wasn't on duty, so they took it home to hand to the police on the Monday.

I'm not sure I'd do the same, well I'm pretty sure I wouldn't, although I don't think I'd want to leave it where it was either, not without it being guarded to stop it being removed by somebody else, but that's their version of events, it's up to you what you want to make of it.

Indeed, and I think it's worth remembering that this was the 1980s and these were older people. They would not have been as savvy with SOCO and all the other crime and forensic stuff that we get bombarded with on TV police dramas these days. They may not have realised that removing something from a crime scene (and it was no longer a crime scene presumably) was not the best thing to do if you suspected it might be significant. Just a thought.

That's a good point Bob, the house had been handed over and clean up was in progress, if the police wanted to make anything of the clothes soaking in a bucket then they had ample opportunity. The relatives were responsible for tidying up, I don't think it's odd at all they they dealt with the clothes in soak, what else were they supposed to do with them?

Harters, as I understand it, this clothing had only just come to light and the police had not previously seen it.

It is inconceivable that blood stained clothing found at the site of a masacre and identified as belonging to the person then accepted to be the killer was not handed into the police for detailed forensic examination and that it was instead removed and destroyed.

I have no idea, I think the house was handed back to the relatives (which included JB at that time), they then went about their business of doing whatever, cleaning up, selling items, planting evidence or whatever you decide to believe.

It wasn't a crime scene any more SOCO had released it, if the police missed the buckets then that's their mistake. They also left a shotgun in the office, another mistake in a long list of them.

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #212 on: June 08, 2011, 03:24:PM »
Spot on Chocho sometimes I feel like people think we are idiots plus 1 for you

What EXACT time did Stan Jones get suspicious about it could been a murder

What time did Ann Eaton dissapear with the bucket

So Stan Jones thought it could be murder not a one off husband kills wife type murder but the murder of 5 people

Probably the biggest murder in EP history Sta Joneswould have gone to any lengths to preserve that crime scene
I've afraid it is a case of taking credit after the fact. ;)

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #213 on: June 08, 2011, 03:26:PM »
Who said the police missed it?

Again, no idea, I not convinced that they did miss it, but I don't know. I thought there was a photograph of them, but I may be mistaken.

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« Reply #214 on: June 08, 2011, 03:40:PM »
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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #215 on: June 08, 2011, 03:41:PM »
Jackie you know why they said they took it home. They said they found it at the weekend when a certain officer wasn't on duty, so they took it home to hand to the police on the Monday.

I'm not sure I'd do the same, well I'm pretty sure I wouldn't, although I don't think I'd want to leave it where it was either, not without it being guarded to stop it being removed by somebody else, but that's their version of events, it's up to you what you want to make of it.


AE's claims regarding removing the blood stained clothing makes no sense at all, Harters.

A police officer was present with AE when she found Sheila's blood stained clothing, correct?

Yet in her own admission, AE persuaded him to allow her to take this blood stained scene of crime evidence home, correct?

If this was all about maintaining the security of this evidence as you suggest the family claim it was, why did AE not give the evidence to that officer?

If AE washed and destroyed this evidence as has been claimed, that makes a mockery of any suggestion that she took this scene of crime evidence home in order to make it secure and to protect it, doesn't it?

AE taking this evidence home had nothing to do with keeping this evidence secure, had it - or she'd have made it secure by handing it to the officer who was with her at WHF?

What possible reason could AE have had for wishing to hand - what she herself suggested was - clothing stained with mere mentrual blood to a specific officer - and which officer?

Even you don't accept this claim, do you, Harters, hence your statement: "that's their version of events, it's up to you what you want to make of it"?

She was cleaining up the house after an apparent murder-suicide. In her mind that was a positive thing to do. As has been said before on here, people cope with shock and grief in different ways - keeping busy by cleaning things is quite a common reaction in fact.

I don't think anyone has said that the removal of dirty washing was done to "protect the evidence" have they? (sorry if I'm wrong)

Are you suggesting that by the time she came to remove the dirty washing the plan to frame Jeremy was already in full swing and this was part of it?

Bob, what was removed was not just 'dirty washing', it was blood stained clothing belonging to the person then accepted to be the killer and it was removed from the site of a very bloody masacre. That clothing should have been subjected to forensic examination.

I mistakenly thought Hartley had suggested that the clothing was removed to protect it from being removed by someone else - sorry about that. Apologies to Hartley etc too.

I have never said that I believe that there was a conspiracy, Bob, indeed I've always said that I'm unconvinced by that view - the only one mentioning a conspiracy here is you. I'm not responsible for what's running through your mind.


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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #216 on: June 08, 2011, 03:42:PM »
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« Reply #217 on: June 08, 2011, 03:44:PM »
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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #218 on: June 08, 2011, 03:44:PM »
Jackie you know why they said they took it home. They said they found it at the weekend when a certain officer wasn't on duty, so they took it home to hand to the police on the Monday.

I'm not sure I'd do the same, well I'm pretty sure I wouldn't, although I don't think I'd want to leave it where it was either, not without it being guarded to stop it being removed by somebody else, but that's their version of events, it's up to you what you want to make of it.

Indeed, and I think it's worth remembering that this was the 1980s and these were older people. They would not have been as savvy with SOCO and all the other crime and forensic stuff that we get bombarded with on TV police dramas these days. They may not have realised that removing something from a crime scene (and it was no longer a crime scene presumably) was not the best thing to do if you suspected it might be significant. Just a thought.

My first thought is that you may be right about that. My second, that since they had fiddled with it at home and done who knows what for who knows how long - the silencer should simply not have been allowed as evidence in a trial.

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #219 on: June 08, 2011, 03:45:PM »
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Jeremy Bamber @John_Cooper_QC Jeremy's latest application of FOI requests rejected by police why are the CCRC refusing to obtain these from Essex Police

Well according to some posters on here, the documents he's asking for might not even exist.  It's all a ploy by the defence to muddy the waters.... Apparently.

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« Reply #220 on: June 08, 2011, 03:46:PM »
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Jeremy Bamber Jeremy Bamber todays latest : Freedom of information request to Essex Police for original logs and statements turned down

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #221 on: June 08, 2011, 03:47:PM »
Plus 1 Abbs I think Law Students must look at this case and shake their heads in disbelief

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #222 on: June 08, 2011, 03:49:PM »
Hartley when talking about the silencer you said the reason they took it home was they had to wait till after the weekend or some other excuse

Go a step further why did they start fiddling with it

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #223 on: June 08, 2011, 03:51:PM »

I have no idea, I think the house was handed back to the relatives (which included JB at that time)



What an extraordinary statement.

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #224 on: June 08, 2011, 03:52:PM »
Hartley when talking about the silencer you said the reason they took it home was they had to wait till after the weekend or some other excuse

Go a step further why did they start fiddling with it

I have no idea, I've said on several occasions that I thought it was madness to go fiddling it.