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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2011, 06:53:PM »
I'm almost certain that this photo was part of the photo bundles at the 2002 appeal.

This is the preface to the 2002 appeal;


48. The act of loading the magazine of an automatic weapon (carried out at least twice in this case) would be expected to leave visible traces of the lubricant and the materials from the bullets on the hands.

49. DC Hammersley, the Scenes of Crimes Officer placed plastic bags over Sheila Caffell's hands and feet before her body was removed from the farmhouse. He saw some blood staining to the back of the right hand, but apart from that the hands, to his eye were clean and the nails intact. The deceased's feet were also free from blood staining and from any debris such as sugar.

50. Following removal of the bags at the mortuary, Sheila Caffell's hands and forehead were swabbed. Extremely low traces of lead were detected when the swabs were examined. Such levels being consistent with the levels found from the handling of every day things around the house. These results were compared to hand swabs taken from volunteers at the laboratory who were required to load the magazine with eighteen rounds of ammunition. Significantly higher traces of lead were found than those recorded on the hands of Mrs Caffell. The scientist Mr Elliott gave evidence that if Sheila Caffell had loaded eighteen cartridges into a magazine he would have expected the hand swabs to have revealed appreciably higher deposits of lead.

51. Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood. The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found. The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times.


The swabs were transported with other firearms I believe, so when the swabs were sent to the lab they were initially rejected because of the risk of contamination. There was a note from Mike Ainsley;

"The hands – were swabbed – swabs rejected by the laboratory. Later raised by D/Superintendent Ainsley in conference at the laboratory when the laboratory again stated that it was too costly to do and that it would be expected to show a positive result as the body of Sheila was in a room contaminated by gunfire. D/Superintendent Ainsley made issue that the swabs should be examined and if not done he wished a statement to explain why it had not been done. As a result they were examined and found to be virtually negative of residue, i.e. lead, oil and propellant."

I think this has been well and truly examined, re examined and certainly indicates there was no evidence of Sheila fireing a rifle that night.
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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2011, 07:06:PM »
Vidvic
1 What details do you have with regard to Stan Jones being suspicious the suicide was a murder

2 How soon after the murders did Ann Eaton remove the bucket

3 Why did the relatives take the silencer home (presumably home is the same place the bucket went)
    rather than get the police involved straight away it is generally known by most people that
    handling evidence that could be used in a court case might ruin the forensic evidence available


Could you answer the questions 1 2 and 3 so it is very easy for me to understand

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #122 on: June 07, 2011, 07:09:PM »
Vidvic could you tell me exactly how many police officers were at WHF the day of the murders who were so convinced Sheila was responsible for the murders.  I am sure they would all have noticed her fee and her hands

Was it 5, 7 8 police officers convinced what they saw that it was a suicide

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #123 on: June 07, 2011, 07:39:PM »
Jackie, not intending to be funny, or rude, but you do appear to be more interested in picking people out for an argument than actually discussing the case.

Just saying  :P

Constructive critisism for you: You would be taken a little more seriously if you didn't keep trying to turn things into your own personal battle and trying to beat up on people who don't share your view, instigating conflicts, you've done it enough with me.  :-\

I mean seriously, what are you going to gain by finding out how many police officers were involved and what makes you think another poster has that information? I seem to recall Mr T stating how many cops were involved, you could give the search button a go, worth a try isn't it?  :-\

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« Reply #124 on: June 07, 2011, 07:41:PM »
Hartley, in other words, because it doesn't fit in with the prosecution case about clean hands, it therefore must be a photographic anomally.

No not at all. As I said it's certainly interesting, if the marks were seen on the original or after scientific examination of the negatives then that would be worth something, but the low quality image blown up by Abs isn't basically due to it's origins.

I didn't suggest it's a photographic anomaly, it's simply a fact that in order to resize a digital image by changing the resolution, then a computer programme such as Photoshop or Paintshop-Pro uses a computer algorithm to split the pixels and fill in the blanks, on the full size image when viewed in Photoshop and zoomed in to see the individual pixels, there is no change in colour tone, the greyish brown marks are not there.

Try it yourself.

Hartley. I don't have photoshop or paintshop pro but I am interested in what your are stating, if I don't quite understand it.  Sorry I'm not the sharpest tool in the box on this kind of thing.  Can you re-phrase what you mean, about this, but in thick-person's terms?  :P

Okay, if you take any digital image, it's made up of lots of little squares of colour (like a chess board for example) if you zoom into the full size image all the little pixels are similar colour tones. If the image resolution is increased then the number of pixels are increased, in order to do this the computer programme needs to split the pixels and scale them, in order to keep the sharpness of the image it tuns a routine to best guess what colour the newly created pixels should be, there is always a certain amount of distortion. In addition, if routines are run to lighten, darken, sharpen or soften an image (or one stop photo fix for example) then some details are lost and distortion is added. An enlarged digital image will never be as accurate as it's original.

In the original the grey/brown smudges are not present.

Thanks hartley.  I think you are saying that if the full sized pic of sheila is zoomed in to, there's no marks on her right hand.
We must not forget that the original negatives were not digital but old style 35mm film. So in actual fact you cannot say for sure that, that is so.

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #125 on: June 07, 2011, 07:43:PM »
Jackie, not intending to be funny, or rude, but you do appear to be more interested in picking people out for an argument than actually discussing the case.

Just saying  :P

Constructive critisism for you: You would be taken a little more seriously if you didn't keep trying to turn things into your own personal battle and trying to beat up on people who don't share your view, instigating conflicts, you've done it enough with me.  :-\

I mean seriously, what are you going to gain by finding out how many police officers were involved and what makes you think another poster has that information? I seem to recall Mr T stating how many cops were involved, you could give the search button a go, worth a try isn't it?  :-\
I think her questions are something to do with the fact that Vic has known the family from the start?

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #126 on: June 07, 2011, 07:45:PM »
Extract from 'Blood Relations' to back up what I was saying a few days ago about the so called 'greedy' relations.....Why any inheritance was not a motive for them to frame JB...

"Of the dozens of wealthy farming dynasties that owned the rich arable farmland of Essex between the wars, the speakmans were among the wealthiest.........In total they owned or rented 6 farms covering many hundreds of acres........they had land and money in abundance"
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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #127 on: June 07, 2011, 07:49:PM »
Extract from 'Blood Relations' to back up what I was saying a few days ago about the so called 'greedy' relations.....Why any inheritance was not a motive for them to frame JB...

"Of the dozens of wealthy farming dynasties that owned the rich arable farmland of Essex between the wars, the speakmans were among the wealthiest.........In total they owned or rented 6 farms covering many hundreds of acres........they had land and money in abundance"
That may be so. But didn't someone say that Peter Boutflour had nothing of his own? And granny Speakman only died a few years ago. She was the one with the money not the Boutflours.

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« Reply #128 on: June 07, 2011, 07:58:PM »
Extract from 'Blood Relations' to back up what I was saying a few days ago about the so called 'greedy' relations.....Why any inheritance was not a motive for them to frame JB...

"Of the dozens of wealthy farming dynasties that owned the rich arable farmland of Essex between the wars, the speakmans were among the wealthiest.........In total they owned or rented 6 farms covering many hundreds of acres........they had land and money in abundance"
That may be so. But didn't someone say that Peter Boutflour had nothing of his own? And granny Speakman only died a few years ago. She was the one with the money not the Boutflours.
The Speakmans, The Bambers, The Boutflours and the Eatons, pretty much drank from the same Jug. Hence there was nothing unusual about Nevill buying a piece of land for the Eatons, etc etc. Both Bobby Boutflour and Peter Eaton came from less wealthy backgrounds but only comparatively and was irrelevant once they married into the Speakman family. All the farms were originally Speakman farms and tenancy's were given to the Bamber's, Boutflour's and Eatons on Marriage. By the time Granny Speakman died most of her wealth had already been transferred to the surviving families.
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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #129 on: June 07, 2011, 08:08:PM »
Extract from 'Blood Relations' to back up what I was saying a few days ago about the so called 'greedy' relations.....Why any inheritance was not a motive for them to frame JB...

"Of the dozens of wealthy farming dynasties that owned the rich arable farmland of Essex between the wars, the speakmans were among the wealthiest.........In total they owned or rented 6 farms covering many hundreds of acres........they had land and money in abundance"
That may be so. But didn't someone say that Peter Boutflour had nothing of his own? And granny Speakman only died a few years ago. She was the one with the money not the Boutflours.
The Speakmans, The Bambers, The Boutflours and the Eatons, pretty much drank from the same Jug. Hence there was nothing unusual about Nevill buying a piece of land for the Eatons, etc etc. Both Bobby Boutflour and Peter Eaton came from less wealthy backgrounds but only comparatively and was irrelevant once they married into the Speakman family. All the farms were originally Speakman farms and tenancy's were given to the Bamber's, Boutflour's and Eatons on Marriage. By the time Granny Speakman died most of her wealth had already been transferred to the surviving families.
I thought she left in her will her money to her two daughters? What I am saying is that at the time of the trial Peter Boutflour made out he didn't need the money because he gave the impression that he was wealthy, but in fact he had nothing of his own? He even said himself that the conviction of Jeremy Bamber made him quite rich or words to that effect and he also said he spent most of it.

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #130 on: June 07, 2011, 08:08:PM »
Extract from 'Blood Relations' to back up what I was saying a few days ago about the so called 'greedy' relations.....Why any inheritance was not a motive for them to frame JB...

"Of the dozens of wealthy farming dynasties that owned the rich arable farmland of Essex between the wars, the speakmans were among the wealthiest.........In total they owned or rented 6 farms covering many hundreds of acres........they had land and money in abundance"
That may be so. But didn't someone say that Peter Boutflour had nothing of his own? And granny Speakman only died a few years ago. She was the one with the money not the Boutflours.
The Speakmans, The Bambers, The Boutflours and the Eatons, pretty much drank from the same Jug. Hence there was nothing unusual about Nevill buying a piece of land for the Eatons, etc etc. Both Bobby Boutflour and Peter Eaton came from less wealthy backgrounds but only comparatively and was irrelevant once they married into the Speakman family. All the farms were originally Speakman farms and tenancy's were given to the Bamber's, Boutflour's and Eatons on Marriage. By the time Granny Speakman died most of her wealth had already been transferred to the surviving families.
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The monies loaned to the Boutflours, Eaton's, and Pargeters, in connection with land deals, by Ralph Bamber, was not included in his estate, and amounted to several cases of fraud. In other words, the value of Ralph Bambers estate at the time of his death was "falsified to exclude these amounts", it is irrelevant that the same relatives to whom the loans were given, would later benefit from those monies - an example of what I am talking about, relates to the monies loaned to the Eatons to pay off the Land, which was not included in Ralph Bambers estate at the time of his death, and the fact that Anthony Pargeter and his sister inherited Ralph's estate that was owed monies by the Eatons...

Yet to be determined...

Is whether or not, the Eatons repaid the Monies they borrowed from Ralph Bamber that should have been part of his estate, was repaid at any stage, or by way of agreement to the Pargeters?

The jury which tried Jeremy for these murders, had a right to know about these deceptions, especially since it was the relatives who introduced the motive for Jeremy being the killer (so that he could get his hands on his parents estates - funny how the estate of Ralph Bamber was drafted up to exclude hundreds of thousands of pounds, loaned to the Eatons, and the Pargeters...

But for Jeremys arrest and conviction for these murders, I understand that he would have been demanding the return of these monies, from all parties concerned - to be pondered, is where would the relatives have raised all that money from to repay it back to Ralph Bambers estate...

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #131 on: June 07, 2011, 08:11:PM »
hartley I am sure vicvid is more than capable of sticking up for himself, the point is he is defending the family, he says he knows the family and this is a brilliant chance to get the answers

grahame is quite right


vicvid please answer my questions we are discussing someones life here or Hartley are you his back up guy

I am a girl

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« Reply #132 on: June 07, 2011, 08:16:PM »
There was a legal battle between the relatives (Eatons, Boutflours / Pargeters) which gained considerable momentum once Jeremy was convicted by a reliance upon their evidence, and subsequently taken out of the equation...


There are many who believe that this is what motivated the relatives to testify in support of the prosecutions case, to help get Jeremy convicted of these murders...
« Last Edit: June 07, 2011, 08:19:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #133 on: June 07, 2011, 08:17:PM »
hartley I am sure vicvid is more than capable of sticking up for himself, the point is he is defending the family, he says he knows the family and this is a brilliant chance to get the answers

grahame is quite right


vicvid please answer my questions we are discussing someones life here or Hartley are you his back up guy

I am a girl

I'm not sticking up for anybody. You just seem to have lost your ability to discuss things with anybody who holds a different view to your own, hence your reference to my good self in your above post.

Jackie, whilst we in the demanding answers mode, would you care to answer why you think the defence decided not to question JM at the 2002 appeal trial?

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« Reply #134 on: June 07, 2011, 08:27:PM »
Been a bit busy so taken a while to respond.

Yes, I am a TV Producer and yes, I have known the family for many many years. I originally worked for Anglia TV and Sky News (right from it's very beginning) though in 2004 concentrated on sport.

I am proud to say I know this family. They are good people. I probably get more annoyed than I should when I read about them as 'greedy', 'liars' and the like, because it is unrecognisable to the people that I know.

Please don't accuse me of not listening to the JB version of events either. I read and view everything I can lay my hands on and I respect Mike Tesko for his tenacity, though obviously I believe misguided.

Yes, it does not take a rocket scientist to see that the Police made many errors, but JB is in prison despite these errors, not because of them.

I know many journalists that have spent thousands of hours doing exactly what some of you do, asking questions, reading statements, testing theories. The vast majority that I have met agree with me and the appeal court judges, in that the more you know about this case, the more convinced you become of JB's guilt.

Hartley
If you will read the above you will know why I am asking the questions I am and yes I am quite capable of sticking up for myself but I put a number of questions to vicvid and I would like an answer.  He seems to know all the details of everything and when I get my answers I will deal with yours