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Jackiepreece

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2011, 01:23:AM »
Vic
If you want to break into that business you seriously need help why dont you pop over to Mark McQueens show reel to see how its done and he is the person I want to do the next documentary about Jeremy

I am pretty good at home videos if you need any help

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2011, 01:27:AM »
So now we have
dodgy relatives
dodgy police
dodgy ccrc
dodgy trial judge
dodgy forensics
now dodgy documentary makers

Bloody hell

Plus 1 Grahame you made me really laugh yeah it was a bad move I hope he learnt his lesson

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2011, 01:30:AM »
There is no blood at all on She
ila's nightdress around her chest or breast area. Surely if she was initially in the kitchen as is claimed and 'came round' and went upstairs to shoot herself the 2nd time, then there is remarkably little blood.

Mike has suggested that a Plug of blood formed while Sheila was lying down, hence less bleeding.
I'm no blood expert but come on!! Her chest area is almost clean. She shoots herself, passes out, runs upstairs, no blood running down her chest area???


Her feet are spotless.

Someone will need to help me with the reference for this, but I'm sure I've read that Sheila's feet were not spotless. In any case, a pair socks lay next to
Sheila's body, Vic. You can see them in some of the photographs.
I can also see a close up of the bottom of her feet, look at it, clean. And if she wore Nevill's socks, why oh why would she have taken them off before shooting herself again?? Did she beg the police not to shoot before removing her socks???


And yes, i'll say it, her hands look remarkably clean for someone who's supposedly fired all those shots. Any nails broken in fighting her father? Striking him with a rifle butt?

That's your subjective opinion, Vic, however I disagree with you.

1. Only one of her hands can be seen with any clarity.

2. We cannot see all of either hand.

3. The hand we have a better view of is clearly blood stained and has oil
    stains or other marks or bruises.
Her hands were swabbed.......Even JB was clever enough to rub her hand on the dirty rifle. But there was nowhere near enough powder on her hands.

4.  Ann Eaton found a fingernail.

5.  Nail varnish on one of Sheila's toe nails was chipped - as shown in a
     photograph - She had the fight with Nevill in the kitchen and she had a chipped toe nail?
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Jackiepreece

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2011, 01:32:AM »
Night everyone bored with Bafta winning Vic

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2011, 01:37:AM »
Vic
If you want to break into that business you seriously need help why dont you pop over to Mark McQueens show reel to see how its done and he is the person I want to do the next documentary about Jeremy

I am pretty good at home videos if you need any help

Jackie. I have worked for all the major networks in the UK and many European ones too.

I am amused by your fixation with my career. You are desperate to in some way discredit me.

Quite honestly I find you a nasty and vindictive individual.

Quite the school ground bully.
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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2011, 01:37:AM »
Vic, I'll cover point by point as the quotes are becoming confusing.

"I'm no blood expert but come on!! Her chest area is almost clean. She shoots herself, passes out, runs upstairs, no blood running down her chest area???"

You're right, you are no blood expert, neither am I. I would be surprised if Mike had not checked his view out with such an expert prior to suggesting this. I know too little and so do you to comment on this either way, hence I've simply drawn on Mike's claim.

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2011, 01:45:AM »
Vic, I'll cover point by point as the quotes are becoming confusing.

"I'm no blood expert but come on!! Her chest area is almost clean. She shoots herself, passes out, runs upstairs, no blood running down her chest area???"

You're right, you are no blood expert, neither am I. I would be surprised if Mike had not checked his view out with such an expert prior to suggesting this. I know too little and so do you to comment on this either way, hence I've simply drawn on Mike's claim.

Keira, surely, if you shoot yourself in the neck, and you're standing up, blood will flow downwards.
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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2011, 02:03:AM »
Vic
I am not obsessed with your career at all because he doesnt seem very interesting but I am obsessed with the truth and I will get to it eventually

You can choose what people you believe and think are wonderful,  I am looking at the facts

Not one tiny bit of evidence julie mugford was telling the truth not one and even in your film fantasy world you have not got one bit piece of evidence.  So we can rule her out of the equation as she has lied in the past to get money

The amazing silencer.  What did the relatives do when they found it,  took it home to have a play with 
in my opinion shouldnt have been used in evidence

Sheila was very ill and people her size have been known to carry out acts like this case

Ngb1066 a legal expert and gun expert has explained carefully in detail that it was possible for Sheila to shoot everyone

As far as I am concerned this was a simple case until the relatives involved the police in the coverups

There is only one alternative that I can see if one of the relatives forced Neville to make that call and stupid young naive  Jeremy was being set up all along. 

Simple story really Vic not one piece of evidence that stands up to Jeremy being guilty its as much as a farce as David Boutflour coming out of court saying we are all liars here and the crap you come out with saying Peter Eaton never got over Nevilles death

What a ridiculous thing to say why do you think I do not find you a credible person to post on this forum I wish we had another barrister on the relatives side to post up against Ngb1066 but you wont be able to find one will you Vic

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« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2011, 02:10:AM »
"I can also see a close up of the bottom of her feet, look at it, clean. And if she wore Nevill's socks, why oh why would she have taken them off before shooting herself again?? Did she beg the police not to shoot before removing her socks???"


I cannot see the bottoms of Sheila's feet with sufficient clarity to comment, on their condition neither, I believe, can you.

In any case, it appears she may have worn socks. We cannot state with any certainty that these socks were Nevill's and even if they were Nevill's, Sheila may still have worn these - ask on the forum how many women have worn or do wear men's socks, the answer will surprise you. I do not believe the examination of the scene by the police was anywhere near vigorous enough to establish who these socks belonged to - do you? But we do know that they lay beside Sheila's body, so these may have been her socks and if they were Nevill's she may still have worn them. No, they would not have been too large for Sheila, most men's socks are horribly shrunk and they have to stretch them when they put them on.

Why would Sheila take these socks off before killing herself? For the same reason that a significant proportion of suicides, prior to killing themselves, shower or engage in ritualistic cleaning and fold their clothes neatly, it's common, ritualistic practice for suicides to do such things. An expert testified about this at the trial. Sheila was surrounded by blood spots, yet the mat she lay on was clean of blood. Did she place a clean mat there before lying or sitting down to kill herself? My guess is that she removed these socks because they were bloody, you can see what may be blood stains on them.

I'm not in the least suicidal, but if I was of a mind to kill myself, I would want to pray first. It would be very important to me to first make my peace with God. I would regard this as a sacred time. I would want to shower first, if possible, and to sit somewhere clean where I could feel sufficiently clean and pure to focus on my last communication with God and my last confession of my sins. I believe that Sheila would have had a similar view to mine as she also had very strong faith.




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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2011, 02:14:AM »
Vic
I am not obsessed with your career at all because he doesnt seem very interesting but I am obsessed with the truth and I will get to it eventually

You can choose what people you believe and think are wonderful,  I am looking at the facts

Not one tiny bit of evidence julie mugford was telling the truth not one and even in your film fantasy world you have not got one bit piece of evidence.  So we can rule her out of the equation as she has lied in the past to get money As has Jeremy

The amazing silencer.  What did the relatives do when they found it,  took it home to have a play with 
in my opinion shouldnt have been used in evidence Your opinion

Sheila was very ill and people her size have been known to carry out acts like this case

Ngb1066 a legal expert and gun expert has explained carefully in detail that it was possible for Sheila to shoot everyone

As far as I am concerned this was a simple case until the relatives involved the police in the coverups Lots and lots of liars, no one ever has come forward

There is only one alternative that I can see if one of the relatives forced Neville to make that call and stupid young naive  Jeremy was being set up all along.  Yeah right

Simple story really Vic not one piece of evidence that stands up to Jeremy being guilty its as much as a farce as David Boutflour coming out of court saying we are all liars here and the crap you come out with saying Peter Eaton never got over Nevilles death He said losers They were very close (You wouldn't know that though as you don't know them)

What a ridiculous thing to say why do you think I do not find you a credible person to post on this forum I wish we had another barrister on the relatives side to post up against Ngb1066 but you wont be able to find one will you Vic Jeremy must be very proud of your support. Well done.
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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2011, 02:21:AM »
"I can also see a close up of the bottom of her feet, look at it, clean. And if she wore Nevill's socks, why oh why would she have taken them off before shooting herself again?? Did she beg the police not to shoot before removing her socks???"


I cannot see the bottoms of Sheila's feet with sufficient clarity to comment, on their condition neither, I believe, can you.

In any case, it appears she may have worn socks. We cannot state with any certainty that these socks were Nevill's and even if they were Nevill's, Sheila may still have worn these - ask on the forum how many women have worn or do wear men's socks, the answer will surprise you. I do not believe the examination of the scene by the police was anywhere near vigorous enough to establish who these socks belonged to - do you? But we do know that they lay beside Sheila's body, so these may have been her socks and if they were Nevill's she may still have worn them. No, they would not have been too large for Sheila, most men's socks are horribly shrunk and they have to stretch them when they put them on. Of course women wear men's socks, I agree.

Why would Sheila take these socks off before killing herself? For the same reason that a significant proportion of suicides, prior to killing themselves, shower or engage in ritualistic cleaning and fold their clothes neatly, it's common, ritualistic practice for suicides to do such things. An expert testified about this at the trial. Sheila was surrounded by blood spots, yet the mat she lay on was clean of blood. Did she place a clean mat there before lying or sitting down to kill herself? My guess is that she removed these socks because they were bloody, you can see what may be blood stains on them. But according to Mike, the police shot her. There was no time for ritualistic cleaning.

I'm not in the least suicidal, but if I was of a mind to kill myself, I would want to pray first. It would be very important to me to first make my peace with God. I would regard this as a sacred time. I would want to shower first, if possible, and to sit somewhere clean where I could feel sufficiently clean and pure to focus on my last communication with God and my last confession of my sins. I believe that Sheila would have had a similar view to mine as she also had very strong faith.
So, she shot herself twice in the bedroom where the photo is taken?
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« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2011, 02:58:AM »
"I can also see a close up of the bottom of her feet, look at it, clean. And if she wore Nevill's socks, why oh why would she have taken them off before shooting herself again?? Did she beg the police not to shoot before removing her socks???"


I cannot see the bottoms of Sheila's feet with sufficient clarity to comment, on their condition neither, I believe, can you.

In any case, it appears she may have worn socks. We cannot state with any certainty that these socks were Nevill's and even if they were Nevill's, Sheila may still have worn these - ask on the forum how many women have worn or do wear men's socks, the answer will surprise you. I do not believe the examination of the scene by the police was anywhere near vigorous enough to establish who these socks belonged to - do you? But we do know that they lay beside Sheila's body, so these may have been her socks and if they were Nevill's she may still have worn them. No, they would not have been too large for Sheila, most men's socks are horribly shrunk and they have to stretch them when they put them on. Of course women wear men's socks, I agree.

Why would Sheila take these socks off before killing herself? For the same reason that a significant proportion of suicides, prior to killing themselves, shower or engage in ritualistic cleaning and fold their clothes neatly, it's common, ritualistic practice for suicides to do such things. An expert testified about this at the trial. Sheila was surrounded by blood spots, yet the mat she lay on was clean of blood. Did she place a clean mat there before lying or sitting down to kill herself? My guess is that she removed these socks because they were bloody, you can see what may be blood stains on them. But according to Mike, the police shot her. There was no time for ritualistic cleaning.

I'm not in the least suicidal, but if I was of a mind to kill myself, I would want to pray first. It would be very important to me to first make my peace with God. I would regard this as a sacred time. I would want to shower first, if possible, and to sit somewhere clean where I could feel sufficiently clean and pure to focus on my last communication with God and my last confession of my sins. I believe that Sheila would have had a similar view to mine as she also had very strong faith.
So, she shot herself twice in the bedroom where the photo is taken?

I'm too tired to reply and my last few posts are nonsense and will probably need qualifying tomorrow but, being a glutton for punishment, I'll post one last reply now.

I agree with Mike's view that Sheila may have put her blood stained clothes in buckets to soak and showered, as part of ritualistic cleaning, prior to shooting herself for the first time downstairs. Look at her hair in the photos of her body, it's newly washed.

As an expert testified at the trial, the first shot resulted in a soft tissue injury which would not have immediately killed Sheila and which would even have allowed her to walk around for a time. So, as Mike has said, Sheila would have been at first concussed or stunned, then later revived and moved upstairs where she shot herself for the second time - having first removed the blood stained socks.

Why did she put the socks on again after showering? My guess is that she didn't. Had those buckets of clothes been examined by the police and had the officer concerned not astonishingly allowed AE to take home blood stained scene of crime evidence and destroy this, I would think they would have found black socks and a black top in one bucket, tangled up with the jogging trousers.

Did Sheila grab a pair of Nevill's socks - which were perhaps airing in the kitchen? - because these were the only clean ones at hand after she'd showered? Did she walk through the blood stained kitchen wearing these? I don't know, no one knows, but a pair of socks which appear to be stained lie next to Sheila's body upstairs.


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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2011, 08:33:AM »
Vic... you've got to be kidding about Sheila's right hand being clean.  Please zoom in.  And that's not even a very clear photograph.  Plus it's also a photograph of a photograph. 

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Re: Questions for Mike Tesko
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2011, 08:48:AM »
Vic, I'll cover point by point as the quotes are becoming confusing.

"I'm no blood expert but come on!! Her chest area is almost clean. She shoots herself, passes out, runs upstairs, no blood running down her chest area???"

You're right, you are no blood expert, neither am I. I would be surprised if Mike had not checked his view out with such an expert prior to suggesting this. I know too little and so do you to comment on this either way, hence I've simply drawn on Mike's claim.

Keira, surely, if you shoot yourself in the neck, and you're standing up, blood will flow downwards.
(1) perhaps she was lying down? (2) she more than likely staunched the blood with her hands and (3) there is plenty of blood on her nightdress anyway. and as an afterthought by me (4) she may have changed her nightdress?
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« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2011, 10:33:AM »
Vic... you've got to be kidding about Sheila's right hand being clean.  Please zoom in.  And that's not even a very clear photograph.  Plus it's also a photograph of a photograph.

I've said this before, but the only suggestion that Sheila's hand was not clean is a blown up scan of a photograph of a photograph etc. It's also since been suggested that the defences copies of photographs were of inferior quality in comparison to the prosecutions copies, this blown up image is likely to originate from the defences copies.

Not that it isn't interesting of course, but the reality is that without access to the original or without scientific examination of the negatives, then the discovery of grey/brown smudges on this blown up third hand image is somewhat unreliable and misleading and certainly shouldn't be quoted as evidence of bruising or oil and dirt on Sheila's hands.

It could be oil or dirt or bruising, but I would suggest that it's far more likely that from the quality of the image and the manipulation the resized image has been subjected to, that the variation in colour and tone is due to pixel distortion and/or blooming.

Examination of the negatives which JB's legal team are now in possession of, should be able to clear this matter up. If bruises/oil/dirt were found then it would be quite a breakthrough for the defences argument, as nothing has yet been released/mentioned by the defence then I'm sceptical that the photograph shows what is being suggested.

In addition to the above, we do also have the hand swabs which indicated that Sheila's hands did not contain oil, lead or residue consistent with the handling and use of a firearm.
However to add to the confusion, the hand swabs were originally refused by the lab as they were packaged up with firearms evidence from another case and therefore exposed to a risk of contamination. It was then considered that if the swabs were  resubmitted and tested, and they did not show up firearms residue then any risk of contamination would have been removed.
If positive test results were obtained then it would indicate that the sample was contaminated or that Sheila had used and handled the weapon. If negative test results were obtained then it would indicate that Sheila had not handled and used the weapon.
So the swabs were resubmitted and tested, the results were negative.

To cover all bases, Mike T has a theory (which you can find on these forums with a bit of digging around) that the hand swabs were dismissed and that the newly submitted swabs were not the same ones as those previously submitted, possibly control swabs. His theory basically suggests that the hand swab evidence was manufactured and falsified.

Anyway, I think I've rambled on enough, I only intended to pop back in to check out the latest.  ;)