Disadvantages in the police asking the relatives to lie in their WS's.

[Kaldin]

Do you think the relatives between them would not have decided  they needed this information ?

It was a huge illegal frame they were attempting. With a huge punishment if unsuccessful.

Murdering five people also carries a huge punishment, but you don't have a problem with Jeremy doing that.

[Kaldin]

Do you think the relatives between them would not have decided  they needed this information ?

It was a huge illegal frame they were attempting. With a huge punishment if unsuccessful.

Sheila's blood was not necessarily required. It could have been any blood.

[Adam]

Murdering five people also carries a huge punishment, but you don't have a problem with Jeremy doing that.

I don't & am happy to answer questions.

You're non answer to my last question means you do not believe the relatives would have made a fabrication attempt without some or all of the 11 vital pieces of information.

But you don't want to say this.

[Adam]

Sheila's blood was not necessarily required. It could have been any blood.

So they put any blood in the silencer ? Then gave the silencer to the police.

Lucky for them it came back as Sheila's blood.

[Kaldin]

I don't & am happy to answer questions.

You're non answer to my last question means you do not believe the relatives would have made a fabrication attempt without some or all of the 11 vital pieces of information.

But you don't want to say this.

I've already said it's unlikely. However, they could have physically done it, which is what you keep denying.

[Kaldin]

So they put any blood in the silencer ? Then gave the silencer to the police.

Lucky for them it came back as Sheila's blood.

It came back with elements of Sheila's blood, yes. However, even if it had not, the police would still have found it very odd that Sheila would shoot everyone else, take the moderator off and put in in the cupboard before shooting herself.

[Adam]

I've already said it's unlikely. However, they could have physically done it, which is what you keep denying.

Ok. They could have attempted it without asking the police any of the 11 questions.

The chance of succeeding in that instance was less than 1%. A huge risk with a huge punishment if unsuccessful. 

You believe it is 'unlikely' they attempted this.

[Kaldin]

Ok. They could have attempted it without asking the police any of the 11 questions.

The chance of succeeding in that instance was less than 1%. A huge risk for such a huge punishment.

You believe it is 'unlikely' they attempted this.

Yes, and I've said why. I think it would take a very devious mind to think up such a plan.

The chance of succeeding wouldn't have been that low. They probably wouldn't have known about all the enzymes in blood and all that stuff.

[Adam]

Yes, and I've said why. I think it would take a very devious mind to think up such a plan.

The chance of succeeding wouldn't have been that low. They probably wouldn't have known about all the enzymes in blood and all that stuff.

In my view they could have attempted point 11 themselves. However points 1 - 10 were essential to know & only the police could tell them.


1) Contact shots during the massacre.

2) Blood already on rifle nozzle.

3) Photos of aga.

4) Lenght of rifle with silencer.

5) Lenght of Sheila's arms.

6) Other evidence showing guilt/innocence.

7) Police checks already carried out on silencers.

8 Where to get Sheila's blood.

9) How to insert Sheila's blood.

10) If unable to get Sheila's blood, what was her blood type.

11) How to effectivly scrape the aga to replicate a scrape during a random fight.

[Kaldin]

They could probably guess there had been some contact shots, particularly to Sheila.

What's that about blood on the gun nozzle?

[Adam]

To find out all of the above so quickly & then instantly hand in the silencer would not happen. It would create too much suspision.

Taff Jones wasn't engaging with them either.

[Adam]

They could probably guess there had been some contact shots, particularly to Sheila.

What's that about blood on the gun nozzle?

If the massacre was committed without the silencer, there would be blood on the rifle nozzle.

Providing there were contact shots.

[Kaldin]

If the massacre was committed without the silencer, there would be blood on the rifle nozzle. Providing there were contact shots.

I thought you were saying there was blood on it? Do you mean the absence of blood?

[Adam]

I thought you were saying there was blood on it? Do you mean the absence of blood?

The relatives needed to know -

Were there contact shots.

Was there already blood on the rifle nozzle from the contact shots.


Two 'yes' answers to these two questions & the silencer  fabrication attempt can't go ahead.

[Kaldin]

The relatives needed to know -

Were there contact shots.

Was there already blood on the rifle nozzle from the contact shots.


Two 'yes' answers to these two questions & the silencer  fabrication attempt can't go ahead.

I thought you said they didn't know there were contact shots.