Disadvantages in the police asking the relatives to lie in their WS's.

[lookout]

For far too long we've had old fogies/farts running the system. Set in their ways without looking at the bigger picture,so young blood is what's needed here with more up to date brains.

[Adam]

I'm not saying they did it, I'm merely replying to your question as to how they could have done it.

I think it would require a very devious and daring mind to come up with such a plan. Having failed to persuade the police that Sheila couldn't have done it, they'd need something more concrete than that, but how someone would come up with the idea of using a silencer to frame Jeremy is not something I could imagine.

The police after fabricating a silencer directly after the massacre, didn't need to ask the relatives to pretend they found it. So didn't.

The relatives couldn't fabricate the silencer alone. So didn't.

I can't work out how Sheila's blood and the aga paint got into the silencer via a frame.

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After sifting through the case Mark Williams-Thomas has said "  It's the most astonishing miscarriage of justice he's come across ".

[Kaldin]

For far too long we've had old fogies/farts running the system. Set in their ways without looking at the bigger picture,so young blood is what's needed here with more up to date brains.

If he really has got proper evidence this time, it'll take ages before there's even a possibility of another appeal, so we'll have to wait. I have to say though that so far, the evidence posted on his blogs isn't really very convincing.

[Kaldin]

The police after fabricating a silencer directly after the massacre, didn't need to ask the relatives to pretend they found it. So didn't.

The relatives couldn't fabricate the silencer alone. So didn't.

I can't work out how Sheila's blood and the aga paint got into the silencer via a frame.

They could have fabricated the silencer evidence - I just told you how.

[lookout]

If he really has got proper evidence this time, it'll take ages before there's even a possibility of another appeal, so we'll have to wait. I have to say though that so far, the evidence posted on his blogs isn't really very convincing.

It would seem to be to those who know about MOJ's ?

[lookout]

We haven't got what MWT has in front of him,do we ? For him to remark and actually speak of a MOJ,then as an investigator who caught Savill out,then we have to go along with him.?
Though it's your prerogative if you don't.

[lookout]

There are rich pickings with this case !

[Adam]

They could have fabricated the silencer evidence - I just told you how.

So you're view is it is more likely the relatives fabricated the silencer. Without police information & assistance on 11 aspects.

Talk about a 1 in million shot. But it worked. Which was bad luck for Bamber.

[lookout]

That latest blog was Part 1. Maybe Part 2 which might be in December and which marks the anniversary of his actual appeal,will throw up further evidence--------we'll have to wait and see.

[lookout]

So you're view is it is more likely the relatives fabricated the silencer. Without police information & assistance on 11 aspects.

Talk about a 1 in million shot. But it worked. Which was bad luck for Bamber.

There's lying and there's being economical with the truth !!

[Kaldin]

So you're view is it is more likely the relatives fabricated the silencer. Without police information & assistance on 11 aspects.

Talk about a 1 in million shot. But it worked. Which was bad luck for Bamber.

I didn't say it was "more likely", I said they could have done it without police assistance.

[Adam]

I didn't say it was "more likely", I said they could have done it without police assistance.

Being realistic, you know the relatives didn't fabricate the silencer alone. Not knowing 11 vital variables.

It was much too risky & the punishment if unsuccessful much too high.

You are just saying they could have to keep you're apparent 'on the fence' stance alive.

If the relatives couldn't fabricate the silencer alone, and the police didn't need the relatives to pretend they found it, how was the silencer fabricated ?

[Kaldin]

Being realistic, you know the relatives didn't fabricate the silencer alone. Not knowing 11 vital variables.

It was much too risky & the punishment if unsuccessful much too high.

You are just saying they could have to keep you're apparent 'on the fence' stance alive.

If the relatives couldn't fabricate the silencer alone, and the police didn't need the relatives to pretend they found it, how was the silencer fabricated ?

I'm saying they could have physically done it because you denied that they could have, and that's not right.

I told you how they could have done it - why are you not addressing that?

[Adam]

In short the relatives needed answers regarding -

Contact shots during the massacre.

Blood already on rifle nozzle.

Photos of aga.

Lenght of rifle with silencer.

Lenght of Sheila's arms.

Other evidence showing guilt/innocence.

Police checks already carried out on silencers.

Where to get Sheila's blood.

How to insert Sheila's blood.

If unable to get Sheila's blood, what was her blood type.

How to effectivly scrape the aga to replicate a scrape during a random fight.

Do you think the relatives between them would not have decided  they needed this information ?

It was a huge illegal frame they were attempting. With a huge punishment if unsuccessful.