Disadvantages in the police asking the relatives to lie in their WS's.

[Adam]

It was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer working alone.

The other option is the police fabricated the silencer and then asked the relatives to pretend they found it. This is a strange theory as the police didn't need the relatives to do this for them.

The disadvantages are -

The relatives may refuse.

The relatives may refuse & then report the approach.

The police had to persuade several relatives rather than just one.

One or all relatives may crack under pressure pre trial.

One or all relatives may crack at trial.

It was putting innocent people into a situation they had never been in before.

The frame was just after the massacre. The police could say they found the silencer themselves.

The police frame was apparently moral corruption. Involving innocent relatives defeats this theory.

The police already had Sheila's blood. So didn't need the relatives.

The police already had aga photos. So didn't need the relatives.

The police already had a silencer. So didn't need the relatives.

It was making the police frame 10x riskier. Failure results in multiple job loses, pension loses & criminal procedings.

It meant the police had to assist the relatives to create false WS.

Evidence was still being processed straight after the massacre. A frame attempt may not be needed.

Evidence was still being processed. It may show Bamber was innocent. The police would have to ask the relatives to back track. 

There are no other examples of the police successfully asking outside individuals to pretend they found something.

It was the police's idea. So no reason for the fabrication to leave EP.

The police did not need information from the relatives. They knew Sheila received a contact shot & that the rifle end had no blood.

No one would dispute that the police had found a silencer. They were inside WHF for a long period.

[lookout]

Something had to be fabricated.EP were in it up to their necks.

[David1819]

It was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer working alone.

The other option is the police fabricated the silencer and then asked the relatives to pretend they found it. This is a strange theory as the police didn't need the relatives to do this for them.

The disadvantages are -

The disadvantages of this scenario are irrelevant because its a completely false narrative. The police obtained blood samples from the relatives to see if it matched the blood in the silencer.  It can be safely deduced that the police were actually suspecting the relatives of foul play rather than helping them.

[Caroline]

The disadvantages of this scenario are irrelevant because its a completely false narrative. The police obtained blood samples from the relatives to see if it matched the blood in the silencer.  It can be safely deduced that the police were actually suspecting the relatives of foul play rather than helping them.

Rubbish! The relatives found the silencer so would have to be eliminated, that doesn't mean the police 'suspected' them of anything.

[lookout]

I thought it was SJ who'd first found the silencer-----SBJ/1 ? On the morning of the 7th ?

[Kaldin]

I thought it was SJ who'd first found the silencer-----SBJ/1 ? On the morning of the 7th ?

Did he? The silencer issue is very confusing. It seems to have had an exciting life - in and out of houses, labs, etc.

[Kaldin]

The disadvantages of this scenario are irrelevant because its a completely false narrative. The police obtained blood samples from the relatives to see if it matched the blood in the silencer.  It can be safely deduced that the police were actually suspecting the relatives of foul play rather than helping them.

That is very interesting. I can't say they suspected foul play, but they must have considered the possibility of blood from one of the relatives getting on the silencer somehow.

[David1819]

Rubbish! The relatives found the silencer so would have to be eliminated, that doesn't mean the police 'suspected' them of anything.

Who planted the blood In your noble cause conspiracy theory?

[lookout]

That is very interesting. I can't say they suspected foul play, but they must have considered the possibility of blood from one of the relatives getting on the silencer somehow.

Now I wonder who had the same blood group as Sheila ?? Down to the enzymes.

[Adam]

It was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer without police assistance. See below.

The police didn't need the relatives to fabricate the silencer.

However the other option is the police fabricated the silencer. Then asked the relatives to pretend they found it & committ forgery & perjury. This thread post shows this is too ridiculous to comtemplate.

So what happened ?

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They were law abiding citizens.

They would have to have the crazy idea in the first place.

If caught they could be put in prison.

If caught, a rich Bamber could sue.

If caught, a rich Bamber could be their enemy regarding farm and land business.

They had to agree together & ensure everyone's account matched.

If one relative cracked under pressure, everything falls apart. 

The police & defence lawyers will put pressure on each relative regarding their accounts.

None of them had attempted anything like this before.

They were already wealthy.

They did not know whether other evidence showed Bamber was innocent.

Taff Jones was not co operating with them & would have had a negative reaction to the silencer.

A fabrication attempt was a 1 in a million shot.

They may not know about human back splatter.

They did not know Sheila's blood type.

They did not know Sheila's arm lenght.

They did not know if Sheila received a contact shot.

They did not know if the rifle nozzle already had back splatter.

They would assume the rifle nozzle already had back splatter on as 25 shots had been fired into 5 people from close range.

They did not know how to correctly put blood into the silencer baffles.

They did not know how to scratch the aga to replicate a kitchen fight.

They did not know if crime scene photos already showed the aga without scratches on.

They did not know if the police had already checked the silencers at WHF for blood.

The fabrication was a huge life term committment. Creating false WS's & perjury.

Even if successful with the fabrication, it may not result in a conviction.

Bamber had already said he left the rifle at WHF without the silencer on.

It is possible Bamber would go out to shoot rabbits without a silencer attached.

They did not have time to plan & execute this as quickly as they did.

If the fabrication attempt failed & became public knowledge, they would be labelled as callous criminals throughout the nation & local community.

They were relying on one piece of false evidence to try to convict a perhaps innocent man of killing 5 members of his family.

[Kaldin]

Now I wonder who had the same blood group as Sheila ?? Down to the enzymes.

Robert Boutflour apparently, but he couldn't have known that at the time.

[David1819]

It was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer without police assistance. See below.

See what below? a list of rubbish you've made up?

[Adam]

See what below? a list of rubbish you've made up?

Great input as usual.

It was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer without police assistance.

Unless you want to explain how they could.

Thought not.

[Kaldin]

Great input as usual.

It was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer without police assistance.

Unless you want to explain how they could.

Thought not.

They could do it actually, but I'm not going to suggest they did.

[lookout]

Robert Boutflour apparently, but he couldn't have known that at the time.

He was a Mason ! Don't they know everything before anyone else does ?? Pillar of the community,koff koff.

Do you know what ? This case to me and no doubt millions of others who keep abreast of Jeremy's Blogs,particularly his latest marking the " anniversary " of his last appeal 15 years ago,,,is simply heartbreaking !!