How it started

[Kaldin]

Think he's trying to bore me to death, lookout.  There's something about a 'sink tidy' which makes me want to go to sleep.

I'd call it a dish drainer really. A sink tidy is that thing you put sponges and brushes in.

[Kaldin]

You may prefer Roch's discovered evidence he can't reveal. Or Bill's & Mike's photos they can't post.

I prefer to discuss published witness statements & court testimonies.

The sink tidy evidence shows 100% that Bamber exited the kitchen window.

No one believes Sheila did some washing up & moved the sink tidy after killing 4 people

It shows nothing of the sort. Why on earth would Jeremy put the sink tidy upright and then try to step around it through the window?

[maggie]

You may prefer Roch's discovered evidence he can't reveal. Or Bill's & Mike's photos they can't post.

I prefer to discuss witness statements & court testimonies.

The sink tidy evidence shows 100% that Bamber exited the kitchen window.

No one believes Sheila did some washing up & moved it after killing 4 people

You are putting words in my mouth, I did not say Sheila did any such thing as I told you before.
I am quite happy for you to discuss court testimonies and witness statements as we all have on here many times. 
I thought that yellow thing on the draining board was a plate rack/drainer rather than a 'sink tidy' Fortunately I have never owned a 'sink tidy' .

[Kaldin]

You are putting words in my mouth, I did not say Sheila did any such thing as I told you before.
I am quite happy for you to discuss court testimonies and witness statements as we all have on here many times. 
I thought that yellow thing on the draining board was a plate rack/drainer rather than a 'sink tidy' Fortunately I have never owned a 'sink tidy' .

Jean Bouttell called it a sink tidy, but I agree with you. 

[maggie]

I'd call it a dish drainer really. A sink tidy is that thing you put sponges and brushes in.

Think our posts crossed Kaldin    definitely some kind of drainer in my book. 

[Adam]

It shows nothing of the sort. Why on earth would Jeremy put the sink tidy upright and then try to step around it through the window?

Of course it shows Bamber excited the kitchen window. It had not been moved for years prior to the massacre night.

The prosecution got the housekeeper to testify on this which helped ensure a guilty verdict.

[Kaldin]

Of course it shows Bamber excited the kitchen window. It had not been moved for years prior to the massacre night.

The prosecution got the housekeeper to testify on this which helped ensure a guilty verdict.

Jean B had not seen it in that position before, but that doesn't mean it hadn't been moved for years. It wasn't glued to the draining board you know. She wasn't there all the time - she didn't do the washing up after dinner.

[Adam]

Jean Bouttell called it a sink tidy, but I agree with you. 

PB called it a yellow sink tidy. It can also be called a drainer.

Either way it covered a large surface area which Bamber had to climb onto. The sink area didn't have much room in the first place.

[Adam]

Jean B had not seen it in that position before, but that doesn't mean it hadn't been moved for years. It wasn't glued to the draining board you know. She wasn't there all the time - she didn't do the washing up after dinner.

PB had worked for the Bamber's for 20 years.

She had never entered WHF & seen it in a different location. Or seen it in a different location while inside WHF.

Do you believe Bamber was unlucky & Sheila did some washing up after killing 4 people. Moving the sink tidy ?

[Kaldin]

PB had worked for the Bamber's for 20 years.

She had never entered WHF & seen it in a different location. Or seen it in a different location while inside WHF.

Do you believe Bamber was unlucky & Sheila did some washing up after killing 4 people. Moving the sink tidy ?

It doesn't matter how long she'd worked there, she wasn't there all the time. Maybe someone moved it to use the draining board to clean something. It might have been nothing to do with washing up. As I said, maybe they put it upright at night to dry it off, and put it flat before JB got there in the morning.

Why on earth would Jeremy move it to an upright position? You keep avoiding that question.

[Adam]

It doesn't matter how long she'd worked there, she wasn't there all the time. Maybe someone moved it to use the draining board to clean something. It might have been nothing to do with washing up. As I said, maybe they put it upright at night to dry it off, and put it flat before JB got there in the morning.

Why on earth would Jeremy move it to an upright position? You keep avoiding that question.

When did you ask me ?

You say 'maybe' & 'if' a lot.

He put it on it's side so it took up less surface area. He can't stand on the sink tidy.

Bamber had no choice but to exit the kitchen window. So he could bang it shut. He had to get onto the sink area during the exiting via the kitchen window. 

Not sure what the problem is.

[Kaldin]

When did you ask me ?

You say 'maybe' & 'if' a lot.

He put it on it's side so it took up less surface area. He can't stand on the sink tidy.

Bamber had no choice but to exit the kitchen window. So he could bang it shut. He had to get onto the sink area during the exiting via the kitchen window. 

Not sure what the problem is.

So how did he climb over it without knocking it over? I mean, he'd move it, he wouldn't put it upright.

[Adam]

So how did he climb over it without knocking it over? I mean, he'd move it, he wouldn't put it upright.

Easy. If I was going to climb through that window I would move the sink tidy. So I had a surface area to climb onto.

[Lucy522]

I can't cope with this bloody sink tidy any more 

[Kaldin]

Easy. If I was going to climb through that window I would move the sink tidy. So I had a surface area to climb onto.

You wouldn't move it in front of the window though would you?