How it started

[lookout]

But as you say the wood may have become warped over time and the catches may have become pliable over that period.

No Steve,you get misalignment with warping not ease of closing/opening.

[guest2181]

But as you say the wood may have become warped over time and the catches may have become pliable over that period.

The building wasn't listed until 1987.

The kitchen window is not historic and appears to be a fairly modern replacement.

[lookout]

Unless wood is treated annually it will rot in time.This is why we have the horrible,tacky PVC windows/doors. Of course for those wanting to keep to wooden window frames and doors the cost of hard wood is enormous,but will last a lifetime and for looks is unbeatable.

[lookout]

The building wasn't listed until 1987.

The kitchen window is not historic and appears to be a fairly modern replacement.

I wonder if the window has been changed since ? Grade II doesn't do modern with ancient if it isn't in keeping.

[Steve_uk]

The building wasn't listed until 1987.

The kitchen window is not historic and appears to be a fairly modern replacement.

I was thinking more this type of window and whether an old catch could fall back into position? https://youtu.be/xbvNvG4l3zw

[lookout]

I was thinking more this type of window and whether an old catch could fall back into position? https://youtu.be/xbvNvG4l3zw

No Steve,these windows can only be locked from the inside as with ALL old windows of this age.
The catch in the centre has to be physically moved across and under the bottom lip.

[Caroline]

The prosecution case was that he entered through the bathroom window.

Then exited through the kitchen window & banged it from outside until the catch fell into place. Which could be done.

The kitchen sink tidy & fairy liquid by the kitchen window were moved by Bamber as he climbed onto the surface board to exit the kitchen window.

That is simply a suggestion but doesn't mean he did. The bathroom window was secured - so why wouldn't he just use the same window?

[Lucy522]

No one has supported the possibility that Sheila massacured 4 people, then did some washing up & moved the sink tidy & fairy liquid.
No one has supported David's suggestion that the house keeper committed perjury because she didn't want to work under Bamber at WHF.

Lookout has not provided a source that Sheila made Nevill & June a cup of tea on the massacre night. Although that is no alternative reason why these 2 items would be moved for the first time in up to 20 years.

Adam this is absurd, I doubt some shitty old bit of plastic would even last 20 years

[Adam]

That is simply a suggestion but doesn't mean he did. The bathroom window was secured - so why wouldn't he just use the same window?

Could he bang shut the bathroom window from outside ?

[Adam]

Adam this is absurd, I doubt some shitty old bit of plastic would even last 20 years

A sink tidy would last a long time. If it got old they would replace it with an exact same sink tidy. They are still available to buy 32 years later.

The housekeeper had worked there for 20 years. She had never seen the sink tidy in a different location. Until seeing the crime scene photos.

No one has supported Lookout's & David's suggestions. No one has said Sheila did some washing up & moved the sink tidy after killing 4 people.

Bamber had to exit out of the kitchen window. That is the window that could be banged shut from outside.

The sink tidy was infront of this window. Covering a large area which Bamber had to climb onto.

Bamber moved the sink tidy as he got onto the sink & exited the window.

[guest2181]

Could he bang shut the bathroom window from outside ?

No, that was a sliding sash window.

[Adam]

No, that was a sliding sash window.

So he exited out of the kitchen window. Hence the moved items around this window.

This has always been the prosecution case. They just had to prove it was possible to do. Which they did.

So not sure why Caroline is suggesting he exited out of the bathroom window.

[Caroline]

Could he bang shut the bathroom window from outside ?

He didn't need to, it was open - shut but not secure.

[lookout]

And not a trace of blood or footprints.

[Jane]

And not a trace of blood or footprints.

What footprints did Sheila leave?