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Re: How it started
« Reply #480 on: October 24, 2017, 06:15:PM »
I thought it was the side window, but I'm not certain.


I'm certain it's the top. I think.  :))

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Re: How it started
« Reply #481 on: October 24, 2017, 06:19:PM »
I can't find much info about it either way.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #482 on: October 24, 2017, 06:22:PM »

I'm certain it's the top. I think.  :))


I concur. It's typical of all large Georgian houses. The windows opening horizontally, rather than vertically.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #483 on: October 24, 2017, 06:22:PM »
In the appeal document I found this:

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263. Police Sergeant Golding gave evidence that at 2.30 p.m. on 7 August he commenced to secure the ground floor and found all windows to be secure and fastened with the exception of two windows. One was in the ground floor bathroom, which was in a closed position with the catch open. He secured the window by closing the latch. The other was a transom window, which formed part of a casement type window in the kitchen. The transom window was open approximately halfway. He secured the window.

Is a transom window the top window rather than the side-opening one?

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Re: How it started
« Reply #484 on: October 24, 2017, 06:23:PM »

I concur. It's typical of all large Georgian houses. The windows opening horizontally, rather than vertically.

The kitchen window was a casement type. It had a window which opened horizontally, and another one which opened vertically.

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Re: How it started
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Re: How it started
« Reply #486 on: October 24, 2017, 06:27:PM »
In the appeal document I found this:

Is a transom window the top window rather than the side-opening one?


To the best of my knowledge, a transom window forms a fixed horizontal paned bar.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #487 on: October 24, 2017, 06:29:PM »
I can't find much info about it either way.

I'm still looking.


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Re: How it started
« Reply #488 on: October 24, 2017, 06:30:PM »

To the best of my knowledge, a transom window forms a fixed horizontal paned bar.

PS Golding said that was open halfway, but DS Jones said it was not, so we're no further forward.

In any case, there's another side-opening window in the kitchen casement.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #489 on: October 24, 2017, 06:42:PM »
I have enlarged the photos. This should help.

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« Reply #490 on: October 24, 2017, 06:45:PM »
PS Golding said that was open halfway, but DS Jones said it was not, so we're no further forward.

In any case, there's another side-opening window in the kitchen casement.

"Open halfway" suggests horizontal opening. It would be a strange window which also had a vertical opening.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #491 on: October 24, 2017, 06:48:PM »
I have enlarged the photos. This should help.

This shows the yellow plastic sink tidy. Which the housekeeper said had been moved for the first time since she had been working there.

Either Bamber moved it as he got onto the sink area to exit the kitchen window.

Or Sheila did some post massacre & pre suicide washing up & moved it.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2017, 06:49:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #492 on: October 24, 2017, 06:51:PM »
This shows the yellow plastic sink tidy. Which the housekeeper said had been moved for the first time since she had been working there.

Either Bamber moved it as he got onto the sink area to exit the kitchen window.

Or Sheila did some post massacre & pre suicide washing up & moved it.

It does look like it could be placed to block the window.

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« Reply #493 on: October 24, 2017, 06:54:PM »
If Sheila committed the massacre & then did some washing up, why didn't she put the items in the sink tidy. It is what it is for.

The most logical explanation is Bamber moved the sink tidy prior to climbing onto the sink area where the window is. Which he had to do so he could exit through the kitchen window.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2017, 06:57:PM by Adam »
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Re: How it started
« Reply #494 on: October 24, 2017, 06:57:PM »
It does look like it could be placed to block the window.

If that portion of window had vertical opening, it would have been easy enough for him to climb through, the placing of the sink tidy, when he left, conveying the message that everything was in it's place.