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Offline Kaldin

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Re: How it started
« Reply #435 on: October 23, 2017, 08:46:PM »
In any case, what about the bottom latch? There's no photo of that, but I don't see how that could close on it's own no matter how much a window was banged.

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« Reply #436 on: October 23, 2017, 08:48:PM »
It won't " lock " into its lugs.It has to be physically done on the inside for that to happen.

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« Reply #437 on: October 23, 2017, 08:50:PM »
It won't " lock " into its lugs.It has to be physically done on the inside for that to happen.

Yes. Unfortunately, there's no photo of it on the day the bodies were found.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #438 on: October 24, 2017, 03:01:AM »
In any case, what about the bottom latch? There's no photo of that, but I don't see how that could close on it's own no matter how much a window was banged.
Gravity causes it to fall into place.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #439 on: October 24, 2017, 07:11:AM »
Gravity causes it to fall into place.

The bottom latch would be horizontal so nothing to do with gravity.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #440 on: October 24, 2017, 08:19:AM »
The bottom latch would be horizontal so nothing to do with gravity.

Kaldin, when we lived in our old house with sash windows we had to push over like a semi circle catch to lock them, are there any pictures of the lock in question?

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« Reply #441 on: October 24, 2017, 08:33:AM »
The bottom latch would be horizontal so nothing to do with gravity.

Which part of the window do we think could be locked from outside?

The side hung casement? Or the top hung fanlight?

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Re: How it started
« Reply #442 on: October 24, 2017, 09:28:AM »
Gravity causes it to fall into place.






Not if it had been newly painted.

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« Reply #443 on: October 24, 2017, 09:34:AM »
None of those windows were modern. Even the fanlight would have had a " screw-down " lock. The system then seemed to have been more foolproof than now.
Windows would have to be broken in order to get to the locking system.
Very few windows are broken today to gain entry as thieves have got the modern way off to a fine art.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #444 on: October 24, 2017, 10:15:AM »
None of those windows were modern. Even the fanlight would have had a " screw-down " lock. The system then seemed to have been more foolproof than now.
Windows would have to be broken in order to get to the locking system.
Very few windows are broken today to gain entry as thieves have got the modern way off to a fine art.
I agree about those windows lookout, I grew up in a house with casement windows, it was impossible to let the bottom lever fall into place. It would land anywhere except where you wanted it and if it did land in the right place it still needed to be pushed down to lock. 
If the top window was large enough you could stand on the outside sill and lean in and lock the side lever but it was impossible to reach the bottom without falling head first. 
With an implement shaped the right way you could lift the arm up but cannot imagine anything which would be able to pick up the lever and push it into place.
The only way would be to use some kind of  implement, however, it would be very difficult if at all possible to fashion.  For all that such a thing may exist and could have been used.  That small fan light window was so narrow no one could have leant very far in to lock anything without an aid.
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Re: How it started
« Reply #445 on: October 24, 2017, 11:38:AM »
I agree about those windows lookout, I grew up in a house with casement windows, it was impossible to let the bottom lever fall into place. It would land anywhere except where you wanted it and if it did land in the right place it still needed to be pushed down to lock. 
If the top window was large enough you could stand on the outside sill and lean in and lock the side lever but it was impossible to reach the bottom without falling head first. 
With an implement shaped the right way you could lift the arm up but cannot imagine anything which would be able to pick up the lever and push it into place.
The only way would be to use some kind of  implement, however, it would be very difficult if at all possible to fashion.  For all that such a thing may exist and could have been used.  That small fan light window was so narrow no one could have leant very far in to lock anything without an aid.



 



That's right Maggie,those of us who lived in old houses can appreciate the locking system which was readily integrated. About two or three bolts on the front door and a failsafe Yale lock was sufficient. No burglar alarms to advertise the fact that valuables existed inside the property.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #446 on: October 24, 2017, 12:31:PM »
One of the officers found that the bathroom window was open, it was closed but not secured.
Few people have the imagination for reality

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Re: How it started
« Reply #447 on: October 24, 2017, 12:35:PM »
No prints,either foot or finger were recorded------only those of the robin.

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« Reply #448 on: October 24, 2017, 12:36:PM »
EP had their " smoking gun " but chose not to arrest JB until a year later. ( blood in silencer ? )

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Re: How it started
« Reply #449 on: October 24, 2017, 12:37:PM »
No prints,either foot or finger were recorded------only those of the robin.

Why would they have been looking for any? It wasn't as if Sheila was trying to leave by a window.