How it started

[guest2181]

He used the money didn't he? They must have been worth something.

They were taken from him in court when he couldn't pay the relatives court fees. The relatives requested them as an alternative so that ties could be severed.

I don't know it they had an inherent value. The fact that they hadn't been sold previously suggests that they did not, although I do not know.

[Kaldin]

Bamber could use his wages to invest in other things. As people do. Why should Nevill give him extra money ?

Use you're loaf.

Yes, he could have done that. I just don't think that money itself was enough motive to murder five people in cold blood.

[Adam]

Where did you get that from?

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book - 

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box. 

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'. 

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'. 

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that. 

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'. 

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'. 

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'. 

'He often spoke of this'. 

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The 'Countdown to Murder' also said June wanted to disinherit him after the caravan robbery.

[guest2181]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

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The 'Countdown to Murder' also said June wanted to disinherit him after the caravan robbery.

Did June live long enough to find out about the caravan burglary?

[Adam]

He used the money didn't he? They must have been worth something.

Anyway, the point is that if he was given shares in N&Bamber and the caravan site, he could have asked for shares in other things which interested him more if he hated farming.

Bamber already owed Nevill £2,000.

Nevill knew any money he loaned Bamber would just be spent on jolly ups.

[Adam]

Did June live long enough to find out about the caravan burglary?

They all did. According to Barbara Wilson in 'Countdown to Murder'.

As RB said the day after the burglary, 'we all know who that was'.

[guest2181]

They all did. According to Barbara Wilson in 'Countdown to Murder'.

As RB said the day after the burglary, 'we all know who that was'.

Oh okay, I thought it didn't come out until JM went to the police. Perhaps I am mistaken.

[Kaldin]

Bamber already owed Nevill £2,000.

Nevill knew any money he loaned Bamber would just be spent on jolly ups.

That loan interests me - more specifically, the relatives interest in that loan interests me. I think that both Jackie Wood and Ann discussed it, and Robert B referred to it. Why was it their business anyway? I just get this feeling that the relatives felt that everything the Bambers did was their business, but I don't know why.

Nevill could have bought a business, or shares in one, and then Jeremy could have run it - he didn't need to give him money directly. I would have thought that if your son hates the family business so much, you'd want them to do something they enjoyed.

[Kaldin]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

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The 'Countdown to Murder' also said June wanted to disinherit him after the caravan robbery.

Do we have Mary Mugford's testimony? I don't really trust books.

[Adam]

Oh okay, I thought it didn't come out until JM went to the police. Perhaps I am mistaken.

The caravan break in was in March. They didn't report it to the police between March & August.

It was resolved privately. BW is on tape saying this.

[Adam]

That loan interests me - more specifically, the relatives interest in that loan interests me. I think that both Jackie Wood and Ann discussed it, and Robert B referred to it. Why was it their business anyway? I just get this feeling that the relatives felt that everything the Bambers did was their business, but I don't know why.

Nevill could have bought a business, or shares in one, and then Jeremy could have run it - he didn't need to give him money directly. I would have thought that if your son hates the family business so much, you'd want them to do something they enjoyed.

Bamber could have started making Nevill & June breakfast in bed every morning.

And/or driven June to & attended bible classes with her.

That would at least start paying back the £2,000 he owed.

[Kaldin]

Bamber could have started making Nevill & June breakfast in bed every morning.

And/or driven June to & attended bible classes with her.

That would at least start paying back the £2,000 he owed.

Why is anyone so concerned about it? Sheila was also loaned money for the flat, and nobody complained about that. Perhaps Nevill wasn't that bothered - it seems the relatives were though, and now you are.

[lookout]

      A 24 year old ? There's a flying pig going past.

[Adam]

Maybe Nevill had told Bamber he had to drive June to & attend bible classes with her. For the next 6 months.

Bamber couldn't face this & committed the massacre.

[Kaldin]

Maybe Nevill had told Bamber he had to drive June to & attend bible classes with her. For the next 6 months.

Bamber couldn't face this & committed the massacre.

Naughty Adam!