How it started

[Kaldin]

June lived in the past though didn't she and what she said,went ?

I don't know lookout, but it does seem Pamela at least just thought of herself as a "housewife", so maybe June had a similar outlook.

[Kaldin]

Why isn't money a great motive? It's been motive in the past and will continue to be motive in the future.

There needs to be more for someone to shoot five people, including two young children, and to fight with their father, and to see their mother suffering.

[Kaldin]

If there doesn't need to be more motive than money, why are "guilters" so concerned about whether Jeremy hated his family or not?

[guest2181]

I don't know lookout, but it does seem Pamela at least just thought of herself as a "housewife", so maybe June had a similar outlook.

She was a director of their company, but maybe that was for tax purposes.

[guest2181]

If there doesn't need to be more motive than money, why are "guilters" so concerned about whether Jeremy hated his family or not?

I'm not sure that they are concerned.

How about the posters saying that the relatives hated Jeremy? Isn't it the same, yet doesn't stick in the throat as much?

[Kaldin]

I'm not sure that they are concerned.

How about the posters saying that the relatives hated Jeremy? Isn't it the same, yet doesn't stick in the throat as much?

They're looking for a motive for the relatives to point the finger at Jeremy. Also, the relatives were actually very negative about him - whilst being nice to his face of course.

[guest2181]

There needs to be more for someone to shoot five people, including two young children, and to fight with their father, and to see their mother suffering.

So if he killed them, then perhaps he did indeed hate them?

[Caroline]

So if he killed them, then perhaps he did indeed hate them?

I don't think he hated them, just didn't care one way or the other.

[Kaldin]

So if he killed them, then perhaps he did indeed hate them?

And perhaps he didn't. Perhaps he liked farming and he liked his parents, sister, and nephews. Perhaps he was indifferent to them. He might have hated them, but I don't think anyone can assume that.

[guest2181]

They're looking for a motive for the relatives to point the finger at Jeremy. Also, the relatives were actually very negative about him - whilst being nice to his face of course.

I don't think that they are looking for a motive. I think the money and perceived freedom that JB would enjoy was the motive.

The 'hate' conclusion is secondary and is a conclusion born out of his actions, rather than necessarily being the cause of his actions.

[Kaldin]

I don't think that they are looking for a motive. I think the money and perceived freedom that JB would enjoy was the motive.

The 'hate' conclusion is secondary and is a conclusion born out of his actions, rather than necessarily being the cause of his actions.

A lot of people would like money and freedom, but they don't murder five people to get it. That requires some kind of negative emotion towards those people.

What are these actions which had led some people to conclude that Jeremy hated his family and hated farming?

[lookout]

I don't know lookout, but it does seem Pamela at least just thought of herself as a "housewife", so maybe June had a similar outlook.

Yes,I think so. Circumstances didn't really force either into employment.

[guest2181]

I don't think he hated them, just didn't care one way or the other.

I could go along with that.

[guest2181]

A lot of people would like money and freedom, but they don't murder five people to get it. That requires some kind of negative emotion towards those people.

What are these actions which had led some people to conclude that Jeremy hated his family and hated farming?

Again, the act of murder, is in itself, a likely reason why some people may think that JB hated his victims.

[Kaldin]

Again, the act of murder, is in itself, a likely reason why some people may think that JB hated his victims.

Yes, if they think he's guilty. They have to think that don't they because money in itself wouldn't be a good enough motive.