How it started

[Lucy522]

No there was no telephone call emanating from any of the occupants of White House Farm that August morning.

But we don't know that as we have no phone records.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin just read the statement thankyou, so if the phone was not back on the cradle Jeremy would of been unable to dial out for 8-16 minutes,?

That's what Mr Adcock said at first, but he changed it to between one and two minutes.

[lookout]

And because there were 4 phones running off the same main socket the strength would be weaker than if there had been individual sockets.
What I don't understand is when the thunderstorm knocked out one of the phones,why just one if they were all on the same circuit ?

[Lucy522]

That's what Mr Adcock said at first, but he changed it to between one and two minutes.

So then Jeremy if hed picked the phone straight back up, could of heard what was going on In whf?

[David1819]

Kaldin just read the statement thankyou, so if the phone was not back on the cradle Jeremy would of been unable to dial out for 8-16 minutes,?

[David1819]

But we don't know that as we have no phone records.

Its the absence of this kind of evidence that enables Steve to maintain his fairy tale. 

[Kaldin]

So then Jeremy if hed picked the phone straight back up, could of heard what was going on In whf?

I would have thought so, but he said he tried to ring back and he got the engaged tone.

[Lucy522]

I would have thought so, but he said he tried to ring back and he got the engaged tone.

If that's the case another call was made directly after then?

[Lucy522]

Thanks David.

[Jane]

But we don't know that as we have no phone records.

Neither are there any of an alleged call from Nevill to Chelmsford police.

[sherlock]

Which begs my previous question: why telephone Jeremy at all?

I have not seen the following idea discussed before.

If Sheila was going crazy with the gun but had not actually shot anyone then what was Nevill thinking ?

I doubt very much indeed that he wanted Sheila arrested for all sorts of reasons.

If Nevill had phoned the police then Sheila would most likely have been arrested.

So maybe Nevill was simply thinking that it was time for Sheila to be sectioned ...

Logically this is probably what Nevill was actually thinking ...

Nevill may have realised that if Sheila knew he was going to have her sectioned then she might resist and react badly.

This could explain his call to Jeremy and not the police.

Nevill maybe wanted Jeremy to contact the hospital and/or help Sheila be sectioned.

Does anyone know who you call if some one needs sectioning ? How is it arranged ?

I guess sometimes the police or G.P's arrange it - but who does a family phone when it needs doing ?

Are families of discharged patients given a number to call 24/7 if they have concerns about the ex patient ?

I hope every one can at least agree that it might have crossed Nevills mind that Sheila would need sectioning in the mental hospital when she first picked the gun up and started acting crazy ?

Was this why he called Jeremy ?

[Lucy522]

Neither are there any of an alleged call from Nevill to Chelmsford police.

So neither scenario can be successfully dismissed

[Kaldin]

If that's the case another call was made directly after then?

What do you mean Lucy?

[Jane]

So neither scenario can be successfully dismissed

How does one prove something which never happened?

[Lucy522]

I have not seen the following idea discussed before.

If Sheila was going crazy with the gun but had not actually shot anyone then what was Nevill thinking ?

I doubt very much indeed that he wanted Sheila arrested for all sorts of reasons.

If Nevill had phoned the police then Sheila would most likely have been arrested.

So maybe Nevill was simply thinking that it was time for Sheila to be sectioned ...

Logically this is probably what Nevill was actually thinking ...

Nevill may have realised that if Sheila knew he was going to have her sectioned then she might resist and react badly.

This could explain his call to Jeremy and not the police.

Nevill maybe wanted Jeremy to contact the hospital and/or help Sheila be sectioned.

Does anyone know who you call if some one needs sectioning ? How is it arranged ?

I guess sometimes the police or G.P's arrange it - but who does a family phone when it needs doing ?

Are families of discharged patients given a number to call 24/7 if they have concerns about the ex patient ?

I hope every one can at least agree that it might have crossed Nevills mind that Sheila would need sectioning in the mental hospital when she first picked the gun up and started acting crazy ?

Was this why he called Jeremy ?

Hi Sherlock, I believe you need 3 people to have someone sectioned, police officers can be one of them, and now you need an amp worker as well I think, which is often a social worker, definitely a gp or medical professional of some sort plus 2 others to prove the person proves a risk to themselves or others, it may be different now, the police now have mental health officers.