Disadvantages in the relatives deciding themselves to fabricate the silencer:

[Adam]

They were law abiding citizens.

They would have to have the crazy idea in the first place.

If caught they could be put in prison.

If caught, a rich Bamber could sue.

If caught, a rich Bamber could be their enemy regarding farm and land business.

They had to agree together & ensure everyone's account matched.

If one relative cracked under pressure, everything falls apart. 

The police & defence lawyers will put pressure on each relative regarding their accounts.

None of them had attempted anything like this before.

They were already wealthy.

They did not know whether other evidence showed Bamber was innocent.

Taff Jones was not co operating with them & would have had a negative reaction to the silencer.

A fabrication attempt was a 1 in a million shot.

They may not know about human back splatter.

They did not know Sheila's blood type.

They did not know Sheila's arm lenght.

They did not know if Sheila received a contact shot.

They did not know if the rifle nozzle already had back splatter.

They would assume the rifle nozzle already had back splatter on as 25 shots had been fired into 5 people from close range.

They did not know how to correctly put blood into the silencer baffles.

They did not know how to scratch the aga to replicate a kitchen fight.

They did not know if crime scene photos already showed the aga without scratches on.

They did not know if the police had already checked the silencers at WHF for blood.

The fabrication was a huge life term committment. Creating false WS's & perjury.

Even if successful with the fabrication, it may not result in a conviction.

Bamber had already said he left the rifle at WHF without the silencer on.

It is possible Bamber would go out to shoot rabbits without a silencer attached.

They did not have time to plan & execute this as quickly as they did.

If the fabrication attempt failed & became public knowledge, they would be labelled as callous criminals throughout the nation & local community.

They were relying on one piece of false evidence to try to convict a perhaps innocent man of killing 5 members of his family. 

[lookout]

Shouldn't it be Advantages ?

[Adam]

Shouldn't it be Advantages ?

Not sure how going to prison & the other 29 points are advantages.

The only other option is the police fabricated the silencer & then asked the relatives to pretend they found it to the courts.

This means both supporters & guilters are in agreement that Sheila's blood is in the silencer.  As the police had access to Sheila's blood.

But the silencer was found so soon after the massacre, couldn't the police just say they found it themselves ? It would be a lot less risky & a lot more simple. Why involve the relatives ?

[Adam]

I can't think of any cases where the police have asked several members of the public to pretend they found something for them.

Sources here would be appreciated.

[lookout]

Didn't SJ tell AE that " she didn't see that ",when referring to a pair of shoes he took from the bedroom ?
He was literally taking away items that pointed to Sheila's guilt.

[Adam]

Didn't SJ tell AE that " she didn't see that ",when referring to a pair of shoes he took from the bedroom ?
He was literally taking away items that pointed to Sheila's guilt.

Straight after the massacre, why do you think the police didn't say they found the silencer themselves ?

Asking the relatives,  who were law abiding citizens to lie & not crack makes the police's silencer fabrication attempt 10x riskier.

Do you know any other examples where the police have asked several members of the public to pretend they found something for them ?

[lookout]

Straight after the massacre, why do you think the police didn't say they found the silencer themselves ? Asking the relatives to lie & not crack makes the silencer fabrication 10x riskier.

Do you know any other examples where the police have asked several members of the public to pretend they found something for them ?

Are you serious ? Do you think it's ever going to come to light what tactics the police might use in cajoling certain members of the public to " play ball ?"

[Adam]

Are you serious ? Do you think it's ever going to come to light what tactics the police might use in cajoling certain members of the public to " play ball ?"

So officially it's never happened before.

No members of the public have ever accused the police of asking them to pretend they found something.

No released criminals or aquited people have ever accused the police of asking the public to pretend they found something.

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Things are not looking good for supporters -

It was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer alone. See thread post.

The police didn't need the relatives to pretend they found the silencer. It would just make their frame 10x riskier.

There are no other examples of the police asking the public to pretend they found something for them.



Not sure what else is needed.

[Jane]

Are you serious ? Do you think it's ever going to come to light what tactics the police might use in cajoling certain members of the public to " play ball ?"

It's certainly something supporters can always fall back on.

[Stephanie]

Hehehehee! Yeah

She did the right thing exposing him 

[lookout]

It's certainly something supporters can always fall back on.

I happen to have known that it did happen.

[Adam]

Lookout answered a source request with a negative. Basically saying -

I have no source. But that does not mean it has not happened.


Sources urgently need to be supplied of the police previously asking the public to pretend they found incriminating for them.

And good reasons given why the police didn't just say they found the silencer themselves.

Otherwise there will have to block stance changes.

[Jane]

I happen to have known that it did happen.

I accept that's how you choose to interpret it.

[Adam]

Lookout has no source.

David is probably frantically looking for a source now. Or at least a good reason why the police didn't just say they found the silencer themselves so soon after the massacre.

My thread post has dismissed Nugs's long term view that the relatives could fabricate the silencer independently of the police.

[Adam]

Lookout answered a source request with a negative. Basically saying -

I have no source. But that does not mean it has not happened.


Sources urgently need to be supplied of the police previously asking the public to pretend they found incriminating for them.

And good reasons given why the police didn't just say they found the silencer themselves.

Otherwise there will have to block stance changes.

Hopefully these will be supplied today.