mugford rwb and the order of death.

[susan]

This is what Ann said:

"I then saw in this room, which is large, that the shower unit was hanging loose and not affixed to its bracket"

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1923.0;attach=24615;image

Kaldin thanks for the link it appears to me somebody usually a female removed the shower head to rinse their hair and did not return it to the bracket where it fits.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin thanks for the link it appears to me somebody usually a female removed the shower head to rinse their hair and did not return it to the bracket where it fits.

Yes, it depends on what she means by the "shower unit" and the "bracket". I took it to mean that the shower head had been removed from the bit which holds it and left in the shower tray. That's what someone would do if they used it to wash their hair.

[lookout]

Or if it had been a 1950's fitting,the actual showerhead not having been mentioned,would have come off.

[susan]

Yes, it depends on what she means by the "shower unit" and the "bracket". I took it to mean that the shower head had been removed from the bit which holds it and left on in the shower tray. That's what someone would do if they used it to wash their hair.

Kaldin that is how my showers are and I remove the head to rinse my hair but always replace it

[Kaldin]

Kaldin that is how my showers are and I remove the head to rinse my hair but always replace it

Of course someone should replace it, but if they have to step into the wet shower tray to do so, they might not bother. 

[notsure]

Kaldin that is how my showers are and I remove the head to rinse my hair but always replace it

I remove it to rinse the shower doors down but then I leave it hanging because it drips and it’s driving me nuts. My hubby is a bit slow on getting it fixed ! Must moan at him a bit more.

[lookout]

I can't imagine anyone moaning about a showerhead not being replaced------but perhaps if the whole fitment had been ripped off its original fitting then maybe so,but even then there had been 5 murders so why even mention a blooming misplaced shower ?
There's no understanding some folk at all.

[Kaldin]

I can't imagine anyone moaning about a showerhead not being replaced------but perhaps if the whole fitment had been ripped off its original fitting then maybe so,but even then there had been 5 murders so why even mention a blooming misplaced shower ?
There's no understanding some folk at all.

What Ann said is a bit ambiguous lookout, so it could mean that the fixing was actually broken.

[lookout]

What Ann said is a bit ambiguous lookout, so it could mean that the fixing was actually broken.

That is what I imagined Kaldin,or why would you say anything at all ? Nobody would as it's by far the least of anyone's worries.

[Kaldin]

That is what I imagined Kaldin,or why would you say anything at all ? Nobody would as it's by far the least of anyone's worries.

She seemed to notice a lot of things, so maybe it stuck in her mind. I don't know if there any other references to the shower which could clarity it.

[lookout]

She seemed to notice a lot of things, so maybe it stuck in her mind. I don't know if there any other references to the shower which could clarity it.

AE had also complained about the pieces of carpet which were cut out for blood-testing too.

I'm going to try and find some sort of reference to the broken shower as this would indicate a " struggle " ?

[Jane]

AE had also complained about the pieces of carpet which were cut out for blood-testing too.

I'm going to try and find some sort of reference to the broken shower as this would indicate a " struggle " ?

A struggle with whom, Lookout, and over what?

[lookout]

A struggle with whom, Lookout, and over what?

Oh God,here we go    Are you new to this case ?

[Jane]

Oh God,here we go    Are you new to this case ?

Here we go, nothing! What do you think was happening, Lookout. Was Sheila trying to prevent Nevill from having a shower, or vice versa? A shower makes an excellent weapon, especially when on turns it on. I can't imagine Nevill, with a useless arm and have his jaw blown away, could have put up much of a fight, and how would he have got back to the kitchen? Why would Sheila have taken a gun into the shower with her? If she hadn't got the gun, there'd have been no reason for a struggle, surely? Perhaps you need to think your tableau through to some sort of a conclusion.

[lookout]

Here we go, nothing! What do you think was happening, Lookout. Was Sheila trying to prevent Nevill from having a shower, or vice versa? A shower makes an excellent weapon, especially when on turns it on. I can't imagine Nevill, with a useless arm and have his jaw blown away, could have put up much of a fight, and how would he have got back to the kitchen? Why would Sheila have taken a gun into the shower with her? If she hadn't got the gun, there'd have been no reason for a struggle, surely? Perhaps you need to think your tableau through to some sort of a conclusion.

Whatever I say or answer with you create an inquest, and this has all been done to death before so until something new or different emerges I'm going to refrain from continually repeating myself.
If you want/need the answers look back at old posts,they're bound to be there somewhere.