mugford rwb and the order of death.

[Adam]

well they cliamed to know almost everyting else about her why wouldent they know her blood group.

No one knows anyone's blood group. I don't know my own blood group, my fathers, mothers or sisters. There is no need to know.

The remaining relatives would not know Sheila's blood group.

[lookout]

No one knows anyone's blood group. I don't know my own blood group, my fathers, mothers or sisters. There is no need to know.

The remaining relatives would not know Sheila's blood group.

They'll know now.

[Adam]

The relatives could have taken a huge risk and -

Hoped Sheila received a contact shot.

Hoped the rifle was too long for Sheila with the silencer.

Hoped the rifle nozzle had no blood on.

Hoped they could convincingly put blood into a silencer creating the back splatter effect.

Hoped there were no crime scene photos of the aga.

Hoped the blood they put in would be a match to Sheila's.

Hoped there was no other evidence that showed Sheila was the killer.

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It was a 1 in a million shot.

If they gambled & amazingly got lucky with all of this, it could mean a successful fabrication of one piece of evidence.

If the 99.9% chance of being unsuccessful happened as expected, they could go to prison.

[nugnug]

No one knows anyone's blood group. I don't know my own blood group, my fathers, mothers or sisters. There is no need to know.

The remaining relatives would not know Sheila's blood group.

you cat possbly say that for a fact.

and im sure they could of asked.

[Adam]

you cat possbly say that for a fact.

and im sure they could of asked.

Do you know you're aunts, uncles, nieces & nephews, cousins blood groups ? Thought not.

Asked who ?

[nugnug]

Do you know you're aunts, uncles, nieces & nephews, cousins blood groups ? Thought not.

Asked who ?

well the police would of known for a start.

and yes i dont every blood group in my family but i do know a few.

[Adam]

well the police would of known for a start.

and yes i dont every blood group in my family but i do know a few.

Asked the police. Which officers would know. Or did they just keep asking different officers until someone could tell them ?

Bit suspiscious asking EP what blood group Sheila  was just before handing in a silencer with Sheila's blood on. Espescially as Taff Jones was not listening to them.

[Adam]

I don't know why Nugs is entertaining the idea that the relatives put someone else's blood into the silencer.

It is conclusive that it was Sheila's blood. However that doesn't mean Bamber has to be guilty.

David has already put up a source that the police had samples of Sheila's blood at the police station.

Maybe Nugs believes the police were not involved in the industrial frame & RB is the real 'treacherous' one,  working as a lone framer. 

This is the wrong approach as there is so much more other evidence which the police had to have helped fabricate.

[Adam]

Nugs is the only person I know who claims to know the blood types of non immediate relatives.

Always an important thing to know. You never know when it will come in handy.

[Kaldin]

I don't know why Nugs is entertaining the idea that the relatives put someone else's blood into the silencer.

It is conclusive that it was Sheila's blood. However that doesn't mean Bamber has to be guilty.

David has already put up a source that the police had samples of Sheila's blood at the police station.

Maybe Nugs believes the police were not involved in the industrial frame & RB is the real 'treacherous' one,  working as a lone framer. 

This is the wrong approach as there is so much more other evidence which the police had to have helped fabricate.

The court of appeal took the view that it couldn't be said the DNA found later was from blood. They took the view that it couldn't be.

[lookout]

No one knows anyone's blood group. I don't know my own blood group, my fathers, mothers or sisters. There is no need to know.

The remaining relatives would not know Sheila's blood group.

Mothers know their childrens blood groups-------or they should.

Those with rare/unusual blood groups are given a card to keep in case of an accident which needs a transfusion. Because of the enzyme in Sheila's and RWB's blood,they would have had cards for cross-matching purposes,so most would have known that over the years.

[Jane]

Mothers know their childrens blood groups-------or they should.

Those with rare/unusual blood groups are given a card to keep in case of an accident which needs a transfusion. Because of the enzyme in Sheila's and RWB's blood,they would have had cards for cross-matching purposes,so most would have known that over the years.

You're absolutely correct in that those with something different about their blood would very likely know about it, but I can't begin to think under what circumstances Sheila and RWB might have had a conversation about a similarity in theirs.

[David1819]

The relatives could have taken a huge risk and -

Hoped Sheila received a contact shot.

Hoped the rifle was too long for Sheila with the silencer.

Hoped the rifle nozzle had no blood on.

Hoped they could convincingly put blood into a silencer creating the back splatter effect.

Hoped there were no crime scene photos of the aga.

Hoped the blood they put in would be a match to Sheila's.

Hoped there was no other evidence that showed Sheila was the killer.

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It was a 1 in a million shot.

If they gambled & amazingly got lucky with all of this, it could mean a successful fabrication of one piece of evidence.

If the 99.9% chance of being unsuccessful happened as expected, they could go to prison.

Not at all. It was not until after Jeremy stated that he left the rifle in WHF without a silencer attached. Was the silencer then "discovered". By putting Sheila's blood in the silencer that was kept in a cupboard, it could then be convincingly argued that Sheila could not have shot herself. And Jeremy's recollection then appears untruthful.

Had the conspirators known the following -

1. Nicholas Caffell suffered two contact wounds.
2. Crime scene photos show no debris on the carpet under the cooker.
3. Contact wounds leave abrasion patterns of the muzzle.
4. Neville had three burns on his back caused by the barrel without a silencer.
5. A .22 rifle is least likely to produce backspatter.
6. Backspatter is most commonly caused by gunshot wounds to the head.

They probably wound not have dared try. The only thing they got lucky about was Rivlin QC deciding to follow a defence strategy with the silencer being attached on the gun.

[lookout]

You're absolutely correct in that those with something different about their blood would very likely know about it, but I can't begin to think under what circumstances Sheila and RWB might have had a conversation about a similarity in theirs.

Once it was known,after Sheila had died,it would have been told to them--------the silencer ?

[Jane]

Once it was known,after Sheila had died,it would have been told to them--------the silencer ?

Of what possible interest, to the wider family, would have been the knowledge of the victims blood groups?