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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #120 on: October 14, 2017, 02:01:PM »
I think that was established without much doubt lookout. Mr Fletcher went through that in his statements.







I thought that Fletcher wasn't up to the mark when it came to guns ?
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« Reply #121 on: October 14, 2017, 02:07:PM »
In Fletcher's testimony,it seems he couldn't say which shots had been contact ones or not. Hadn't he been the expert ?

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« Reply #122 on: October 14, 2017, 02:11:PM »
Do we know for absolute certainty it was the killer weapon ?
If it wasn't Lookout Sheila could not have been the killer.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #123 on: October 14, 2017, 02:12:PM »
If it wasn't Lookout Sheila could not have been the killer.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #124 on: October 14, 2017, 02:15:PM »
If it wasn't Lookout Sheila could not have been the killer.






How do you make that out buddy with a few to choose from ? The way I see it is that the rifle pictured on Sheila's body doesn't appear to have been the one with the broken stock ? No matter from which angle,it looks intact.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #125 on: October 14, 2017, 02:16:PM »
Logic really.

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« Reply #126 on: October 14, 2017, 02:18:PM »





How do you make that out buddy with a few to choose from ? The way I see it is that the rifle pictured on Sheila's body doesn't appear to have been the one with the broken stock ? No matter from which angle,it looks intact.
Well Lookout, Who placed THAT gun on Sheila?

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #127 on: October 14, 2017, 02:18:PM »
That's why I take a lot of what the relatives said with a pinch of salt. Once they had decided that Jeremy was guilty, they made a lot of assumptions and made some sweeping statements.


If they were speaking from their own experience, who are we to say that their statements -or which of them- were sweeping? ie whilst I CAN testify that not all farmers daughters know how to use a gun, I CAN'T say that Jeremy/Sheila?Nevill/June/The Relatives always/never/wouldn't because I simply don't know.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #128 on: October 14, 2017, 02:19:PM »
I've always been puzzled by the broken rifle as very little information was ever given about it with the piece broken off having been found in the kitchen,so it had taken a knock.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #129 on: October 14, 2017, 02:22:PM »
In Fletcher's testimony,it seems he couldn't say which shots had been contact ones or not. Hadn't he been the expert ?

Couldn't he? I know he said he couldn't tell if any of the bullets had been fired through a silencer.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #130 on: October 14, 2017, 02:23:PM »
I've always been puzzled by the broken rifle as very little information was ever given about it with the piece broken off having been found in the kitchen,so it had taken a knock.

Yes, and I haven't seen a photo of the rifle with the piece missing.

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« Reply #131 on: October 14, 2017, 02:24:PM »

If they were speaking from their own experience, who are we to say that their statements -or which of them- were sweeping? ie whilst I CAN testify that not all farmers daughters know how to use a gun, I CAN'T say that Jeremy/Sheila?Nevill/June/The Relatives always/never/wouldn't because I simply don't know.

Well they were sweeping, that's obvious. They decided Jeremy was guilty and they helped to convince the police of that by making sweeping statement. How much weight those statements carried I don't know - hopefully not a lot.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #132 on: October 14, 2017, 02:27:PM »

If they were speaking from their own experience, who are we to say that their statements -or which of them- were sweeping? ie whilst I CAN testify that not all farmers daughters know how to use a gun, I CAN'T say that Jeremy/Sheila?Nevill/June/The Relatives always/never/wouldn't because I simply don't know.
Do you honestly believe that JB said to RWB that he could easily kill his parents. I don't.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #133 on: October 14, 2017, 02:28:PM »
Well they were sweeping, that's obvious. They decided Jeremy was guilty and they helped to convince the police of that by making sweeping statement. How much weight those statements carried I don't know - hopefully not a lot.

What about the statements made by Simon Halls relatives

Were they sweeping

Were they being honest

Or did they knowingly lie in order to protect Simon Hall

How much weight do you give their statements
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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #134 on: October 14, 2017, 02:28:PM »
Well Lookout, Who placed THAT gun on Sheila?







I don't know buddy,but you're right,it was placed whatever gun it was.