mugford rwb and the order of death.

[nugnug]

I never claimed she made contact with RWB. Just that her evidence can be traced to back to either him or AE. Whether she got this directly from them or from a proxy such like Stan Jones ect is anyone's guess.

The twins being shot first (as Julie said) would rule out Colin being entitled to part of the Bamber estate. It is indeed another suspiscios coincidence. However, in one of the newspapers published shorty after the killings. It was reported that the police believed the twins were shot first. Whether that newspaper got that from the police or not I don't know. But it is an alternative source to where Julie could have got that information from.

well im thinking its rather coveniant that the death order mugford lists is the one that suits pams cliam best

a difrent order of death would of seen the money going to ap.

its only that precise order of death that gives pam b a cliam.

[nugnug]

And Justice all his supporters have to offer in relation to JM's evidence is nothing more than a character assassination https://jeremybamber.org/julie-mugford/ which s clearly ill thought out and shows their bias towards her.

The fact she told the police she put a pillow over his head or whatever it is she said she did after an argument with him, isn't evidence of her being a dangerous or scorned women or indeed a criminal of any description. What it actually shows is evidence she had feelings/emotions and acted on her emotions. She didn't plot to put a pillow over his head. Like Bamber plotted to rob his families business for example. It's further supportive evidence of her honesty.

its shes ethere a perjer  or an acomplice to child murder thats pretty clear whatever bullshit spin you try and put on it.

[Stephanie]

well im thinking its rather coveniant that the death order mugford lists is the one that suits pams cliam best

a difrent order of death would of seen the money going to ap.

its only that precise order of death that gives pam b a cliam.

Maybe Bamber had a soft spot for Pam or favoured her more than the others

[JackieD]

Yes and he roped Julie in for a time, possibly due to the folie à deux psychiatric phenomenon. The effort of System 2 in the planning and execution of the crime led to the mistake of the returned silencer, or if you don't believe that the telling of the story to Julie, whereby he returned to System 1 behaviour. The fact that he was cognitively busy on the occasion of the funerals (System 2) led to the sexist language directed at the waitresses, and the selfish act of refusing one of the grieving relatives access to his funeral car (both System 1).

Her criminal activity has been well documented, showing what she was capable of

I doubt the caravan robbery would ever have happened if Jeremy had never met her

June recognised a bad influence on her son

[guest7363]

Her criminal activity has been well documented, showing what she was capable of

I doubt the caravan robbery would ever have happened if Jeremy had never met her

June recognised a bad influence on her son

I bet he wouldn’t have done drug dealing and broke into the jewellers shop in New Zealand as well?

[Kaldin]

Julie's statement about the twins dying first, made 23 September 1985. Page 3.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3729.0.html

[lookout]

He certainly did Steph, on more than one occasion.

The only mention of the CIA had been that Sheila had thought they were spying on her. She makes reference to the CIA in a letter to AE. This is not unique in those suffering from paranoia who think they're being followed by them or indeed spied upon by them.

[lookout]

It's commonly known as PARANOIA !! When people make things up about you,THEY have a problem !

[lookout]

It's also a CONTROL mechanism where they imagine what they want you to be,say and do.
Override it because they know what they're doing. They're living their past in YOU !

[Kaldin]

This business about writing books about murders doesn't sit well with me, unless they're by people who refute the evidence or who are not connected.

[lookout]

Nor me Kaldin.

[Adam]

Julie's statement about the twins dying first, made 23 September 1985. Page 3.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3729.0.html

Thanks.

Obviously my scenario was wrong when I said Bamber emptied 11 bullets into June & Nevill in the opening salvo. I had already realised this months earlier after being informed 2 of June's head shots would have killed her very quickly. Meaning she couldn't have walked around the bed.

Easy mistake to make as Nevill & June received 11 shots between them upstairs. Which is the same amount of bullets the rifle holds.

It makes no sense for Bamber to shoot the twins 8 times, then go downstairs to reload. So he shot each twin once, leaving him 8 bullets for June & Nevill & 1 for Sheila.

Nevill waking & moving resulted in Bamber using all of his remaining 9 bullets in the main bedroom. Rather than his allocated 8.

The twins, Nevill & June received 12 later shots between them, once Bamber's attempt to complete the massacre with only 11 bullets had failed.

After having to re load, the next plan was to fire lots of bullets. To suggest overkill & highlight Sheila being out of control.

[Adam]

Of course Bamber may not have attempted to complete the massacre within 11 shots.

It would still make no sense to shoot the twins 8 times, then go downstairs to re load.

If I was Bamber I would have attempted to complete the massacre within 11 shots. There is no harm in trying.

Everyone who knew Sheila knew she couldn't load, chamber & breach a rifle. And there would be no evidence on her that she had done this.

If I failed to complete the massacre within 11 shots, it doesn't mean the massacre can't be completed. It just means the less convincing plan B comes into play - over kill.

[Kaldin]

Who "knew" that Sheila couldn't do any of that, other than the relatives? Ann didn't know that Jeremy was interested in guns either.

[Stephanie]

Her criminal activity has been well documented, showing what she was capable of

I doubt the caravan robbery would ever have happened if Jeremy had never met her

June recognised a bad influence on her son

I bet he wouldn’t have done drug dealing and broke into the jewellers shop in New Zealand as well?

It was Bamber who grew and cultivated the weed. No one else.

So if JEREMY BAMBER hadn't grown the stuff in the first place Jackie there would have been NONE TO SELL.

Again if she hadn't met him she would probably never heard of the caravan site in the first place.

I suspect Jackie is basing JM's standards xx xxx xxx xxxxxxxxx; hence why she is so far off the mark

A bad influence on her son ha ha ha - like I was to Simon Hall - drop me out