mugford rwb and the order of death.

[Adam]

Indeed Adam

What supporters appear to ignore or gloss over to suit their theory at any given time is that Bamber had access to JM witness statements along with the rest of the case files whilst he was on remand.

He had ample time to plot and scheme;

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7969.msg377999.html#msg377999

You commented on David going silent after being asked if he believes Sheila had a shower. As he 'hadn't figured it out yet'.

Hopefully he won't go silent on this issue which he brought up himself.

Either there is a source that Julie said Bamber told her the twins were shot first. Which David will supply.

Or there is no source & David will confirm his error.

An expected no response at all from David will mean he's either refusing to supply the source as it's assisting a guilter. Or he never had a source in the first place.

No response & I will have to assume there was never a source in the first place,  as I have never seen one

[Stephanie]

You commented on David going silent after being asked if he believes Sheila had a shower. As he 'hadn't figured it out yet'.

Hopefully he won't go silent on this issue which he brought up himself.

Either there is a source that Julie said Bamber told her the twins were shot first. Which David will supply.

Or there is no source & David will confirm his error.

No response at all from David will mean he's either refusing to supply the source as it's assisting a guilter. Or he never had a source in the first place.

No response & I will have to assume there was never a source in the first place,  as I have never seen one

He may be pondering his conflicting cognitive reasoning Adam

The following could be beneficial to David https://bigthink.com/delancey-place/the-two-systems-of-cognitive-processes

He has a choice to dismiss my posts and "psychobabble" as he and Gringo like to refer them  but he might just learn something if he takes off the blinkers - as I did in 2013

[Stephanie]

He may be pondering his conflicting cognitive reasoning Adam

The following could be beneficial to David https://bigthink.com/delancey-place/the-two-systems-of-cognitive-processes

He has a choice to dismiss my posts and "psychobabble" as he and Gringo like to refer them  but he might just learn something if he takes off the blinkers - as I did in 2013

Taken from the CIA website; which may be more up David's street?

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-56-no.-2/thinking-fast-and-slow.html

Will he be quick to dismiss this as "psychobabble" I wonder

Who are the CIA https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/todays-cia

Just a glimpse of your poor comprehension. 

What do you KNOW of my comprehension David


What I know of Jeremy Bamber is that he had a criminal mind prior to the murders

[guest7363]

Taken from the CIA website; which may be more up David's street?

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-56-no.-2/thinking-fast-and-slow.html

Will he be quick to dismiss this as "psychobabble" I wonder

Who are the CIA https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/todays-cia


What do you KNOW of my comprehension David


What I know of Jeremy Bamber is that he had a criminal mind prior to the murders

He certainly did Steph, on more than one occasion.

[Adam]

I have always believed what Julie has said.

If David supplies his source that Julie said Bamber said the twins were shot first, then I will amend my scenario slightly.

[Adam]

Come to think of it I have to amend my scenario slightly anyway.

I always thought Bamber entered the main bedroom first & fired 7 shots into June & 4 into Nevill - 11 shots.

I have since found out that 2 of Junes head shots were instantly fatal. Meaning they couldn't have been fired while she was in bed as she was able to leave the bed.

So Bamber shot each twin once before entering the main bedroom &  shooting June 5 times & Nevill 4 times - 11 shots.

[Adam]

If there is a source where Julie says Bamber told her the twins were shot first, this just backs up the evidence.

[Stephanie]

He certainly did Steph, on more than one occasion.

And Justice all his supporters have to offer in relation to JM's evidence is nothing more than a character assassination https://jeremybamber.org/julie-mugford/ which s clearly ill thought out and shows their bias towards her.

The fact she told the police she put a pillow over his head or whatever it is she said she did after an argument with him, isn't evidence of her being a dangerous or scorned women or indeed a criminal of any description. What it actually shows is evidence she had feelings/emotions and acted on her emotions. She didn't plot to put a pillow over his head. Like Bamber plotted to rob his families business for example. It's further supportive evidence of her honesty.

[JackieD]

He certainly did Steph, on more than one occasion.

Julie Mugford had a cunning criminal mind and was carrying out serious crimes way before Jeremy decided to steal anything (partly belong to him anyway)
No doubt Mugford with her cunning and criminal mind encouraged Jeremy into illegal activities

[JackieD]

I've seen no evidence to suggest JM was upset with Bamber for having alledgedly dumped her.

What "defence strategy" did Bamber use during his trial re JM's evidence?

Any negative accusations towards JM's damming evidence which helped convict Bamber was and is no more than a ruse

In your world I am sure trying to smother someone with a pillow is quite normal just because you have been dumped and your boyfriend has no intention of marrying you

[Stephanie]

In your world I am sure trying to smother someone with a pillow is quite normal just because you have been dumped and your boyfriend has no intention of marrying you

Nor have I seen evidence she was fickle

[Steve_uk]

Taken from the CIA website; which may be more up David's street?

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-56-no.-2/thinking-fast-and-slow.html

Will he be quick to dismiss this as "psychobabble" I wonder

Who are the CIA https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/todays-cia


What do you KNOW of my comprehension David


What I know of Jeremy Bamber is that he had a criminal mind prior to the murders

Yes and he roped Julie in for a time, possibly due to the folie à deux psychiatric phenomenon. The effort of System 2 in the planning and execution of the crime led to the mistake of the returned silencer, or if you don't believe that the telling of the story to Julie, whereby he returned to System 1 behaviour. The fact that he was cognitively busy on the occasion of the funerals (System 2) led to the sexist language directed at the waitresses, and the selfish act of refusing one of the grieving relatives access to his funeral car (both System 1).

[Stephanie]

Yes and he roped Julie in for a time, possibly due to the folie à deux psychiatric phenomenon.

Agreed Steve and there's no getting away from the fact that Jeremy Bambers anti social behaviour was on the increase prior to the murders.


Maybe someone would create a timeline in order to show this to his supporters.

[David1819]

You commented on David going silent after being asked if he believes Sheila had a shower. As he 'hadn't figured it out yet'.

Hopefully he won't go silent on this issue which he brought up himself.

Either there is a source that Julie said Bamber told her the twins were shot first. Which David will supply.

Or there is no source & David will confirm his error.

An expected no response at all from David will mean he's either refusing to supply the source as it's assisting a guilter. Or he never had a source in the first place.

No response & I will have to assume there was never a source in the first place,  as I have never seen one

Source supplied  and stop putting words in my mouth.

[Adam]

Source supplied  and stop putting words in my mouth.

You have already supplied this on another thread. But have only posted the segment & won't say where it is from.

Words in you're mouth ? It's no secret you won't say whether Sheila had a shower or not. So more like 'lack of words'.