Bullets fired and reloading

[Kaldin]

I know Maggie,a good man who'd helped everyone. I felt the most sorry for him because he struggled to keep the peace in the household as well as having the farm and other businesses to see to.

What happened to June was horrendous too. I don't know if she was conscious when the killer came back, but if she was, she must have been terrified to hear them coming up the stairs.

[lookout]

What happened to June was horrendous too. I don't know if she conscious when the killer came back, but if she was, she must have been terrified to hear them coming up the stairs.

I know.What a mess she was in made by a most determined murderer who'd used overkill to a sickening degree.
I don't think we'll ever understand how a fellow human being can murder another. I  used to see a lot of knife wounds and I'd ask myself then how anyone could even think of plunging a knife into someone let alone carry out the evil deed.

These latest acid attacks are another force of evil.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin,Nevill must have been quicker to have possibly phoned JB at that point,albeit hurriedly.
Even Nevill phoning a " killer " while being threatened  doesn't make sense to me.

Missed this post before - sorry about that.

If the phone call happened, I don't think it happened when Nevill went to the kitchen after the shooting started, I think it must have happened before that. There was no blood on the phone, and Nevill couldn't have spoken after the two shots to his face.

[lookout]

Missed this post before - sorry about that.

If the phone call happened, I don't think it happened when Nevill went to the kitchen after the shooting started, I think it must have happened before that. There was no blood on the phone, and Nevill couldn't have spoken after the two shots to his face.

Yes,it would have happened before the shooting began. I've often wondered at what stage,though we'll never know that. Or even where Sheila was when he made that call.   

[maggie]

What happened to June was horrendous too. I don't know if she was conscious when the killer came back, but if she was, she must have been terrified to hear them coming up the stairs.

It was, just awful poor woman. The whole thing was horrific and tragic.

[Roch]

It was, just awful poor woman. The whole thing was horrific and tragic.

She fought gamely in a horrific situation. 

[David1819]

She fought gamely in a horrific situation.

No she didn't. No one did

[Roch]

No she didn't. No one did

Your info is out of date.

[David1819]

Your info is out of date.

The idea of a fight happening was demolished long ago. You are going backwards

Look at Sheila's night dress in relation to the blood that was running down her before her back hit the floor. Its rather obvious how the blood got on her forearm.

[Steve_uk]

The idea of a fight happening was demolished long ago. You are going backwards

Look at Sheila's night dress in relation to the blood that was running down her before her back hit the floor. Its rather obvious how the blood got on her forearm.

Well do tell us Solomon..

[David1819]

Well do tell us Solomon..

It spurts/falls downwards from the neck and then onto her dress and arm. Before she hits the ground.

[Roch]

It spurts/falls downwards from the neck and then onto her dress and arm. Before she hits the ground.

Spurting blood cannot break the skin.  Nor can it explain the wounds on the back of her hand which are gouge / scrape marks made by a fingernail.  I've already explained this to you on numerous occasions.  She has marks on her upper arm (bloodied cuts) completely independent from any run or smear nearby.  How likely is it that a victim has cuts on her upper up and hand - but the rest of the blood on her arm is merely formed by spurts / runs?   If you insist on holding with your position - you will at some point have to concede that Sheila Caffell's skin was broken in several places from her upper arm down to her hand - but the runs on her arm are from the spurting neck wound.  You will then be saying that although you believe the runs on her arm are from the spurting neck wound, she must still have been in a fight / scuffle in order to have obtained the other areas of broken skin.

Furthermore - her earring was ripped from here ear and her necklace / pendant was yanked from behind in the struggle.  June has shin kick / cuts right leg.  On left leg she has curved cuts.   She also has a gashed chin, possibly from a thumbnail. 

The area of Sheila's hand where the blood is supposed to have transferred to the runs on her wrist, hardly has any blood on it.  It's more like smudged blood and has a thin cut and a couple of nick marks (literally the skin is broken). 

Spurting blood does not break human skin

[maggie]

It spurts/falls downwards from the neck and then onto her dress and arm. Before she hits the ground.

David, the blood from Sheila's neck wounds would run, it would not spurt.  Her external jugular VEIN was shaved/severed not an ARTERY.
It is arterial blood that spurts if severed due to the pumping pressure of the blood leaving the heart and being pumped around the body. Veinous blood is blood returning to the heart to be re oxygenated. It flows it is not pumped under pressure. Pulse and BP are measured from the arteries.
If Sheila's artery had been severed it would be a very different picture with blood sprayed all over her and her surroundings.

[lookout]

Spurting blood cannot break the skin.  Nor can it explain the wounds on the back of her hand which are gouge / scrape marks made by a fingernail.  I've already explained this to you on numerous occasions.  She has marks on her upper arm (bloodied cuts) completely independent from any run or smear nearby.  How likely is it that a victim has cuts on her upper up and hand - but the rest of the blood on her arm is merely formed by spurts / runs?   If you insist on holding with your position - you will at some point have to concede that Sheila Caffell's skin was broken in several places from her upper arm down to her hand - but the runs on her arm are from the spurting neck wound.  You will then be saying that although you believe the runs on her arm are from the spurting neck wound, she must still have been in a fight / scuffle in order to have obtained the other areas of broken skin.

Furthermore - her earring was ripped from here ear and her necklace / pendant was yanked from behind in the struggle.  June has shin kick / cuts right leg.  On left leg she has curved cuts.   She also has a gashed chin, possibly from a thumbnail. 

The area of Sheila's hand where the blood is supposed to have transferred to the runs on her wrist, hardly has any blood on it.  It's more like smudged blood and has a thin cut and a couple of nick marks (literally the skin is broken). 

Spurting blood does not break human skin

You have my backing on this Roch.

I know that there are areas of this case where the CT ( possibly including their legal team too ) are way behind and refuse to speculate,other than on Sheila's " state of health ". 

[Kaldin]

I can't agree with this I'm afraid. I think the runs on Sheila's arm are from the first shot when she was sitting up, I don't think they're from injuries. The blood on her upper arm trickled to the side when she fell back.